It is after V1, but based on the recording comparisons I did between my SL, M9 Carbine, and GBE 1200 it makes minimal difference, if any. Post-EQ is where the mojo lies.
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Genz-Benz Streamliner Part 5
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It is after V1, but based on the recording comparisons I did between my SL, M9 Carbine, and GBE 1200 it makes minimal difference, if any. Post-EQ is where the mojo lies.
Jazzdogg
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+1
I've been elevating my cabs for years, having grown weary of my knees getting all the best sound at the expense of my ears. I often stack two cabs, with the top cab aimed toward me, and the bottom cab aimed toward the drummer.
I recently set up all of my cabs, combos, and heads in the living room to do some comparative listening. When my brother (a brass player) came over to practice, he thought I was using all of the cabs because the sound was so huge and rich. I had to prove to him that a single VL208 was the only cab being used; it was sitting atop two other cabs - at ear level.
Imagine how much quieter gigs and rehearsals would be if guitarists placed their cabs at ear level! That's something I'd be in favor of, as long as the guitar cabs weren't aimed toward me!
faulknersj said:
Bass solo, but my ear tells me it is promising for a mix. I started with a setting I used last band practice, which needed a little more cut, this sounds close but won't know till Wed. It was not a "bedroom" tone though.
In the mix will be the real test. At my gig last night, I tweaked the EQ throughout the first set and ended up with a drastically different EQ than I began with. Keep us posted!
faulknersj said:
What did you end up with, did I miss that post? I have had it in a mix about five times now, I am mostly working out different tones for different song styles and a few general tweaks. My EQ did not change too much, I will switch between mid freqs for diff sounds, but I have not done too much with the gain settings. I had it both at 12 and switch in, this new one has so much more definition - we'll see soon if it is positive in situ!
Agreed. Guitar players should at least use kick back stands. A lot of this is a moot point if you are able to stand 20+ feet out in front of your rig. But at most gigs, I'm 3-4 feet in front of my rig. Getting a 212 another 20 inches up in the air makes a world of difference when you're that close. It's not so high that it kills all the bass, nor are you getting beamed in the head with the mids. You can however get some mid content going, and you can hear the "direct radiation" of those paper cones. The lows you do hear are tighter and more punchy. This also prevents you from over-pushing the mids as is the tendency with a cab on the floor. Often times, you don't realize how out of balance those mids are with your tone when you're standing right up on the cab, but folks out in front will be getting their heads sliced off. That "aggressive articulation" you think you're hearing might be more of a clackety mess out in front.+1
I've been elevating my cabs for years, having grown weary of my knees getting all the best sound at the expense of my ears. I often stack two cabs, with the top cab aimed toward me, and the bottom cab aimed toward the drummer.
I recently set up all of my cabs, combos, and heads in the living room to do some comparative listening. When my brother (a brass player) came over to practice, he thought I was using all of the cabs because the sound was so huge and rich. I had to prove to him that a single VL208 was the only cab being used; it was sitting atop two other cabs - at ear level.
Imagine how much quieter gigs and rehearsals would be if guitarists placed their cabs at ear level! That's something I'd be in favor of, as long as the guitar cabs weren't aimed toward me!
One thing I just recently discovered with my rig is that I like the sound I'm getting through the headphones better than through my cab. Maybe it's time for a new cab. 
I get all the J bass grind I need through the headphones, but am missing it through my RS210s. Not that it still doesn't sound amazing, it does! But I'm really preferring the headphone tone right now personally.
I get all the J bass grind I need through the headphones, but am missing it through my RS210s. Not that it still doesn't sound amazing, it does! But I'm really preferring the headphone tone right now personally.
One thing I just recently discovered with my rig is that I like the sound I'm getting through the headphones better than through my cab. Maybe it's time for a new cab.
If i pick up this head, i'm super tempted to grab an AE210 and part with the HS210 i have, simply because i feel like that'd be a sweet combo (at least for a grindy J bass feel). I wonder if it would be smooth enough?*
Edit: *for p bass stuff i mean
What a tough choice. At this point, I might go with the AE210. I've head several AE cabs in the past, 210, 112, and 410, but with the head I was using at the time (MB F1) I wasn't getting the tones I wanted. I think the STM900 would be a great matchup with the AE to bring back some of the upper mid grind. Still, I've always been a fan of the HS line and prefer it with most heads. Smoother mids with a tighter low end, and they seemed clearer to me even when dialing out the upper mids of the AE cab. Something slightly rough or furry about the AEs I could never put my finger on, both with the F1 and RH450, IMO/IME.
I had both the RS210 and AE210 together with an RH450 and spent some time A/Bing the two cabs. I could get the AE to sound nearly as smooth as the RS (nearly, but still not quite) by taking out the high mids and doing a couple other tweaks I can't remember at the moment. But the RS had that smooth sound I like naturally and at less than half the cost, so it was a no-brainer at the time. That A/B could have come out much differently with the STM900, but who knows.
A/B's I'd like to hear about with the STM900 (that others have brought up on several occasion as well):
- Berg HS vs AE line
- STM900 vs DB750 (I've heard some conjecture and have my own experiences to draw from, but no real side-by-side comparisons yet)
Cab gas sucks... I hate it. Switching around cabs to be best with heads? Then basses to fit with amps? Ugh!
I'd want my cabs to respond to evenly & let the differences in the basses & amps shine.
Tube vs SS, J bass vs P bass... the cab should accentuate those differences and not have its own personality IMO... otherwise you just get too many damn variables!
Luckily my Epifani NYC 310 cabs go well with EVERYTHING.
That sucks man, it really does to have to switch cabs to fit the Streamliner.
This is the curse of Talkbass I think. I never had this issue before TB came around. Some VERY good players I know who don't ever visit Talkbass buy the same amp and cabs and use them for years with all kinds of instruments. They're happy as pigs in poop and wouldn't know any different. They aren't always debating what might give them a little more upper-mid grind, or less lows, or a more vintage sound or any other garbage. And honestly, all that crap we debate here is usually lost when you step beyond the stage. I do believe in finding a good rig with a good tone, but the nonstop searching for things that will lead to bass nirvana is always going to be elusive. Anyone who has played regular gigs in the same venues with the same musicians over a period of time will know that your sound can change from one gig to the next for no reason at all it seems. One gig you'll love it, and the next everything will sound boomy and muddy.
At some point, you just have to forget all this crap and just play music, or at least that's what I keep telling myself.
At some point, you just have to forget all this crap and just play music, or at least that's what I keep telling myself.
^ This!!!!!!
^ This!!!!!!
Mine arrived today. Loving it through my LDS156. Thick thick thick
One tiny aesthetic on the knob labelling: I'd like to see the lettering above the knobs because most of us will be looking down at this head. But it's still intuitive.
I need more time with the gain and preamp volume. It really wants to be turned up. My B1500 is already packed up.
My back and ears thank you Genz-Benz.
One tiny aesthetic on the knob labelling: I'd like to see the lettering above the knobs because most of us will be looking down at this head. But it's still intuitive.
I need more time with the gain and preamp volume. It really wants to be turned up. My B1500 is already packed up.
My back and ears thank you Genz-Benz.
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I own a 635-24 ash body, burl maple top, ash neck, maple board. This was one bass that was used in tests of prototypes on this amp.
Also, Mike Tobias as been recommending this amp for many of his artists.
I have owned the HS210, The AE210s and I still own a AE410. I have never missed the HS210 until I purchased the STM900. It makes me wish I still had the HS210 stack. Just my opinion and mainly speaking from a J bass or modern bass perspective.
+1 Totally agree. Sometimes when I get frustrated trying to have the "best" tone, I unplug the bass from the amp, turn everything off and play the instrument unplugged & listen!
A great bass will sound good without an amp. Starts with the fingers and instrument, the other stuff is extra.
Before I "knew better" I was satisfied
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