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Have you tried going the other way? How close can you come to matching the sound of the Streamliner with the M6?
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Genz-Benz Streamliner Part 5
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Have you tried going the other way? How close can you come to matching the sound of the Streamliner with the M6?
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Well, in the last 3 weeks or so I've had my STL900 on about 8-9 gigs and a few rehearsals.
All without any issues.
My point is the initial concerns of whether the durability is there being it's light weight and has tubes, there shouldn't be any need for worry.
Granted it's not much, but you pretty much can figure it's been used in a "band" playing situation almost everyday I've had it.
So Ive been pounding on it pretty good.
All without any issues.
My point is the initial concerns of whether the durability is there being it's light weight and has tubes, there shouldn't be any need for worry.
Granted it's not much, but you pretty much can figure it's been used in a "band" playing situation almost everyday I've had it.
So Ive been pounding on it pretty good.
I've been seeing several comments about the lack of mids with the STL 900. FWIW- I've been pairing mine with a Schroeder 1210, and they complement each other tremendously.
Very interested to hear these STM900 and M6 Carbine comparisons also. I have the chance to pre-order the STM900 locally but it won't be in stock until May 
worth the wait?
worth the wait?
I ordered my Streamliner 600 from BassDirect in UK in late january hoping to get it in mid february. Still not arrived yet. Manufacturing/shipping problems anyone?
Saluki and other jazz players...I think boosting at 2.5k and managing the gain (let's say noon-ish give or take) are a nice piece to this really fun to figure out puzzle! I dig this head more with each gig as there is a real learning curve and adjustment period involved. This is the most complex simple amp I have ever owned.
Yes. Imo, 'grindy jazz tone' is more about ever so slightly favoring the bridge pup than what head you are using. My J basses can 'grind' thru any head...streamliner included. Especially those with 70's spacing on the bridge pup 
Ed and I both have clips up of the Streamliner with a J bass. Check out my Youtube channel to get at least some feel for the tone of a 70's J through the Streamliner.
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f192/...er-900-600-a-714970/index15.html#post10484287
Here's a clip that Greg at Rocket Music did with a 600 through a Berg AE212. I'm running a HT112ER and loving it! Adding an EX112ER soon. I would think it would match great with a GB Neox 212.
Here is the thread related to that. For my tone goals, I don't want to go in the other direction and the key for me was to get in the same range as the M6 set flat, which is punch, grind, clarity and presence.
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/g...z-gbe-1200-mesa-m9-carbine-taste-test-740991/
I couldn't agree more. I think with a j bass I won't even touch the 220 or the 600 anymore. It's all about the 2.5 and getting the upper mid grind. I did play around with 220 and 600 with some other basses with positive results. When I played last week I used the 600 boosted to about 2 oclock and everything else about flat so this weekend I will get to test this in the mix and see how it works for me.
I really encourage everyone that has not found their tone with this amp yet to open up that input volume. To my ear, it really does affect the tone (and in a positive way for me). Also don't be afraid to make some pretty radical eq adjustments to get to where your home is.
I think it depends which shipment yours was on. Give them a call and ask because all of the ones that were sold off the first shipment have been sent. (My 900 was in the first batch and has already arrived in Scotland.)
If you've ordered a GigSkinz bag then those haven't been shipped yet due to the manufacturer not being able to sort out its supply chain.
I would again think that the GKMBFusion would be a much better choice for those trying to find a 'lightweight M6 replacement'. Totally different vibe. The Streamliner is much closer to the MPulse600, and to a lesser extent, the Walkabout.
I think anyone who wants more upper-mids should start with the bass and treble at 9 o'clock, then adjust mids at 2.5khz until they get the presence they want. After that, you can season the bass and treble to taste, keeping in mind that too much bass will smother the mids, and too much treble might sound brittle for some.
Also, since the treble control isn't centered at 4k when boosting like on the previous heads, which happens to coincide with tweeter crossovers in many cabs, then you can get very different results by varying the tweeter level on your cab in conjunction with the treble control. For example, with my Shuttle 9.0, I'd usually run the treble flat and have the tweeter at 9 o'clock. With the Streamliner, I find that I like the treble at 10 o'clock, but the tweeter at noon. If I run the treble flat, then I pull the tweeter back down to 9 o'clock, but that sounds completely different and is more glassy.
Since they Streamliner's treble starts to cut like a passive tone control, you can really pull off that top glass, then crank your tweeter a bit to compensate, which allows the very top of the those upper mids to come through (if you consider 4khz upper mids...not really, but it's in the "presence" range).
Also, I do not think upper mids are missing in the Streamliner. Again, if you've seen a scope of the Carbine or Shuttle heads set flat, then you know right off the bat that upper mids are boosted in relation to everything else on those heads when set flat. In other words, the default voicing of those heads is upper-mid dominant. I still haven't scoped the Streamliner yet, but my guess is that the default voicing of this head is low to low-mid dominant, but that doesn't mean the mids are "scooped" or missing. Compared to a flat signal, I don't think either the Streamliner or the Carbine/Shuttle heads are far from that, but compared to each other, there fairly different.
Also, since the treble control isn't centered at 4k when boosting like on the previous heads, which happens to coincide with tweeter crossovers in many cabs, then you can get very different results by varying the tweeter level on your cab in conjunction with the treble control. For example, with my Shuttle 9.0, I'd usually run the treble flat and have the tweeter at 9 o'clock. With the Streamliner, I find that I like the treble at 10 o'clock, but the tweeter at noon. If I run the treble flat, then I pull the tweeter back down to 9 o'clock, but that sounds completely different and is more glassy.
Since they Streamliner's treble starts to cut like a passive tone control, you can really pull off that top glass, then crank your tweeter a bit to compensate, which allows the very top of the those upper mids to come through (if you consider 4khz upper mids...not really, but it's in the "presence" range).
Also, I do not think upper mids are missing in the Streamliner. Again, if you've seen a scope of the Carbine or Shuttle heads set flat, then you know right off the bat that upper mids are boosted in relation to everything else on those heads when set flat. In other words, the default voicing of those heads is upper-mid dominant. I still haven't scoped the Streamliner yet, but my guess is that the default voicing of this head is low to low-mid dominant, but that doesn't mean the mids are "scooped" or missing. Compared to a flat signal, I don't think either the Streamliner or the Carbine/Shuttle heads are far from that, but compared to each other, there fairly different.
Actually to my ear, the MB200 and the MB500 are better. I don't really care for the MBFusion as much. It is warmer, but sometimes to me that translates to wooly mids or less highs. To be fair, I haven't compared directly to my current amps but Vic does have one and if we get a chance I am sure it will get compared directly. The settings shown for both the STM900 and the MB200 will get you close to the settings shown for the M6. Not exact, the M6 has something going on in the mids less than 2.5 that I can't replicate with the STM900, but these settings still get me to a happy place. That's all I am saying. You should try them with that orange bomber through the AE410, but you may need to back the treble and mids back a bit for that cab. Grind city.
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