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Genz-Benz Streamliner Part 5

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#821
I'm confused about getting the Streamliner 600 or 900. This head is deeply voice with bass so that means more power needed to move more air. I have the Shuttle 6.0 with the L.F. Boost pushed in and the mid scoop pushed in with bass at 2 o'clock mids at 2PM and for my purposes the head room is OK. Play through a Carvin BRX 10.2 4 ohms P bass & Bongo 4HH. Will I be lacking in head room with the 600 because of more bass voiced in this amp?
 
#822
esoxhntr said:
Well... That looks less than ideal... :ninja:
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Hence part of my criteria for amp rigs. The cab is behind me shoved up against the door. Last week I was where the drums were and percussion was center - that was better for me but the recordings sound great on both nights. I end up playing all sorts of rooms so a perfect setup has small cabs that I can stuff in tight spots and amps that will sound good under adverse room conditions (the GBs both fit the bill). Tonight's gig is on a proper stage and I don't have the room issues, but every night is different as this is a guest drummer and he plays differently than our other two guys. That's part of what keeps it interesting.
 
#824
mojosimone said:
I'm confused about getting the Streamliner 600 or 900. This head is deeply voice with bass so that means more power needed to move more air. I have the Shuttle 6.0 with the L.F. Boost pushed in and the mid scoop pushed in with bass at 2 o'clock mids at 2PM and for my purposes the head room is OK. Play through a Carvin BRX 10.2 4 ohms P bass & Bongo 4HH. Will I be lacking in head room with the 600 because of more bass voiced in this amp?
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I think the 600 will be bigger than the way you're running that 6.0 now, but I'd get the 900 anyway so you'll never have any doubt.
 
#825
Darkstrike said:
I had assumed that as they were using the baxandall tone circut, or a variation of it to keep it vintage tubey sounding, that it was just the way that circut worked, more boost than cut.

IIRC, all the classic amps that used it were flat when set to Bass-2, Mids-10, Treble-2, or in that range, of course the Streamliner has active mids, right, so they'd be flat at half way up, rather than cranked to 10, right?
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I think you are referring to the classic "Fender or Marshall tone stack" which is not Baxandall, nor is it flat. A typical Baxandall it typically flat response with the proper choice of parts. It can also be voiced, modified and skewed to any number of intentional voicing responses. The Fender/Marshall tone stack can not.
 
#826
agedhorse said:
I think you are referring to the classic "Fender or Marshall tone stack" which is not Baxandall, nor is it flat. A typical Baxandall it typically flat response with the proper choice of parts. It can also be voiced, modified and skewed to any number of intentional voicing responses. The Fender/Marshall tone stack can not.
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Aren't the marshall and fender tone stacks completely different? I always thought the fender tone stack was a passive interactive type of thing (if you turn the bass, mid, and treble all the way down you get no sound) and the marshall tone stack basically doesn't do anything no matter how much you turn the knobs :smug:
 
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agedhorse said:
I think you are referring to the classic "Fender or Marshall tone stack" which is not Baxandall, nor is it flat. A typical Baxandall it typically flat response with the proper choice of parts. It can also be voiced, modified and skewed to any number of intentional voicing responses. The Fender/Marshall tone stack can not.
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Ahhhh, I'm getting my wires crossed then, been a long time since I read up on this stuff.
 
#828
one more thing on where to run the bass control.

The more you crank the mids, the more you can turn up the bass. NOTE: I would never even use the word "crank" with our other amp designs.

So, with that in mind, there is a tone setting that I call "Fat J"...a in J bass.

* solo rear pick up
* passive bass or, run preamp flat
* 4x10 cabinet
on the amp:
* bass: 3 o'clock
* mid: boost 220 to 3 o'clock
* treble: 11 to 12 o'clock

if you give this setting a shot, note how the bass and mid controls work together.

I know that some on TB have the dreaded "trisco hora phobia" (the fear of setting knobs at 3 o'clock), but this really is a great setting.
 
#829
I wanted to upload a new graph today, but was tied up on another project.
 

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#833
nostatic said:
Yikes! Related to your avatar in any way? I avoid playing on stuff that is cold/frozen (hence the reason for my first divorce).
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yes. About 30 ski trips this season. On my last trip, after the day was over.....I .......well......umm.......slipped on the ice in the parking lot, 30 feet from my truck. :o

Landed on my left side, since I had my skis and boot bag on my right shoulder.
 
#836
hasbeen said:
yes. About 30 ski trips this season. On my last trip, after the day was over.....I .......well......umm.......slipped on the ice in the parking lot, 30 feet from my truck. :o

Landed on my left side, since I had my skis and boot bag on my right shoulder.
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Ouch! Sorry to hear that, but you get extra credit in my book just for admitting to the parking lot yard sale! But isn't that how it always happens?
 
#837
Haven't checked in in a bit here but, after trying to use amplitube(all versions) to find a bass tone I like, I have yet to find it. I'm going to try out my SL6's DI and see how I like that.

Since I have my tone dialed in there I'm sure that will be my choice in the end.
 
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nostatic said:
Hence part of my criteria for amp rigs. The cab is behind me shoved up against the door. Last week I was where the drums were and percussion was center - that was better for me but the recordings sound great on both nights. I end up playing all sorts of rooms so a perfect setup has small cabs that I can stuff in tight spots and amps that will sound good under adverse room conditions (the GBs both fit the bill). Tonight's gig is on a proper stage and I don't have the room issues, but every night is different as this is a guest drummer and he plays differently than our other two guys. That's part of what keeps it interesting.
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Remind me, what cabs are you running?
 
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