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Genz-Benz Streamliner Part 5

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Markbass LM2 x Streamliner

In your opinion, how they compare? IMO the LM2 has a pretty "growly" voice, kind of tubey but faster... and I really like that.
Would I gain more of that with the Streamliner?
The LMII isn't tubey at all to me....not even a little but. It has a full sound, but not tubey at all. It sounds like a warm console to me. I love it very much and used one for quite a long time.

The Streamliner to me isn't in the same universe at all as Ken seems to think. It's fat and warm, with a glassier top end (instead of the more extended, crisp top on the LMII) with a definite voicing scoop in the mids. The scoop is relaxed, and not extreme at all like many people think when they hear the word "scoop". With the LMII, you can't really approximate the scoop of the Streamliner because the low-mid frequency is too low, and the high-mid frequency is too high.

But really, all the above really only touches the surface of what these two amps feel like. What you did say is true...the LMII is fast and punchy. Agreed. The Streamliner is punchy but in an all-tube kind of way. It's most noticeable to me when standing in front of it at half-volume or better, and striking open notes on the E string with a pick. It just has that tube grunt on the front of each note, even when running in a clean mode. It feels worlds apart from an SS head IMHO, like it or not.

Now, I would say the Streamliner is more like the LMII tonally than it is the F1 or F500, that is for certain. But there's still a big gap between them. I think folks who are using the LMII because of it's warmth and size while missing the all-tube feel and attitude of much larger, heavier heads they once played might find themselves right at home with the Streamliner.
 
Now, I would say the Streamliner is more like the LMII tonally than it is the F1 or F500, that is for certain. But there's still a big gap between them. I think folks who are using the LMII because of it's warmth and size while missing the all-tube feel and attitude of much larger, heavier heads they once played might find themselves right at home with the Streamliner.

I would agree with this. It is quite a different beast, and I agree that while the LMII/III is beatifully warm and smooth, it doesn't have the 'tube' feel like the Streamliner. +1
 
Manufacturer bags in my experience are usually just fine for protection as long as you are moving the gear yourself and not throwing it in a touring trailer. I have the Gigskinz bag, and while it is a bit nicer than most manufacturer bags, one thing that REALLY bothers me with it is that the Streamliner has to be turned sideways to fit. That means that when holding the loaded bag by the straps, the knobs are facing forward or backward such that if it were swung into a wall or door jamb while walking, those knobs would take the impact. As such, I can't really recommend the Gigskinz bag for the Streamliners, and would suggest buying the Genz bag instead even though I haven't seen it.
 
Manufacturer bags in my experience are usually just fine for protection as long as you are moving the gear yourself and not throwing it in a touring trailer. I have the Gigskinz bag, and while it is a bit nicer than most manufacturer bags, one thing that REALLY bothers me with it is that the Streamliner has to be turned sideways to fit. That means that when holding the loaded bag by the straps, the knobs are facing forward or backward such that if it were swung into a wall or door jamb while walking, those knobs would take the impact. As such, I can't really recommend the Gigskinz bag for the Streamliners, and would suggest buying the Genz bag instead even though I haven't seen it.

Yeah, I like the knobs on top. I'm bumming because my Mooradian bag that I had made for the RH450 is the right size, but really only if I turn the Streamliner on its side, which results in the issue you mention, which is a real one.

Again, the Genz bag is fine, and I'm going to use it. The sizing just seems a bit strange to me... very tight, and I would have liked to seen another inch in height so that there isn't constant pressure on the knobs. I like that inch or so of space that Mooradian builds in to the top of the bag. Again, no big deal, and it is surely a functional bag with plenty of pocket room
 
Hi guys... Since we're talking about MarkBass F serier or LMs vs Streamliner. Just wanna straight things up. I'm a MarkBass Clinician, I'm endorssed but not exclusively and right now Im GASsing for a Streamliner :hiding:

Yup... you heard me right. They are two amps with different approach in their design that results a different sound in result. I'm interested in the Streamliner coz it has tube gain stages, I had a Demeter tube pre, that sound I dearly missed... And my MarkBass rig cannont re-produce that sound. But since I'm already spoiled with the lightweight, the Streamliner seems like a reasonable choice.

However I'm fully sattisfied with my current Cabinets, and I don't travel a lot with them, so I really don't need new cabinets. Even if I do bought the Streamliner, I'm going to match it with my1x12 Club Cabinet and or my 2x10s Traveller.

Has anyone tried this setup (Genz Benz Head + MarkBass Cab)?
What do you guys think? I tried pairing my cabs with Shuttle series heads, and tell you the truth, the Shuttles sounds rather thin compared when the Shuttles are paired with other Brands, such as Schroeder, Bergantino, and of Course Genz Benz.

I notice that KJung has both heads (maybe cabs too), so can KJung or anyone else share their experience here?

Thanks
 
I am using the Gator small mixer bag with both my Shuttle 9.0 and another one with the Streamliner. I find the SL fits nicely in the bag...with the knobs facing up when carried by the strap. I fit two Speakon cables, one 1/4 inch cable, power cord and 1/4 to Speakon adapter in the pocket with no issue...

Kim

Yeah, I like the knobs on top. I'm bumming because my Mooradian bag that I had made for the RH450 is the right size, but really only if I turn the Streamliner on its side, which results in the issue you mention, which is a real one.

Again, the Genz bag is fine, and I'm going to use it. The sizing just seems a bit strange to me... very tight, and I would have liked to seen another inch in height so that there isn't constant pressure on the knobs. I like that inch or so of space that Mooradian builds in to the top of the bag. Again, no big deal, and it is surely a functional bag with plenty of pocket room
 
I see the Streamliner 600 going for $829 and the F500 going for $779. Google search.

Adding 3 12AX7s to the F500 would likely make up that $50 price difference.

Even if it didn't, at the end of the day $50 on an +/- $800 amp means nothing if I like what it does more than the competition.

Frankly, when I saw the SL900's street price I thought "bargain". I paid a couple hundred bucks more for my MB F1 2 years ago.
 
funkyjudge said:
The Gigskinz bag is EXCELLENT for the Streamliners!

+1, i get all my cables, wireless receiver,body pack, and pedal tuner into the gigskinz with my 900. I walk into gigs with my bass on one shoulder and my gigskins bag in the other while i carry my cab. Much better than last year making 3 trips to car for my ampeg SVT in rack case with tuner/power conditioner, two cabs, and a bass!
 
I’ve had the Streamliner 900 for a little over a week now and I’m still warming up to it. It took me a few weeks to develop my tone with the RH450, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes me a few with the S900. My main bass these days is a Roscoe Century Plus 5, Bart CB pups & Bart pre. This bass is a tad aggressive in the upper mids for me, so I tend to cut a little in the 1kHz region on most amps. I play in a Dave Matthews type of band with acoustic guitar, keys, sax and drums. My tonal goals are a vintage meets modern thing. Nice warm, slightly compressed, fat low end, punchy low mids with a smooth, clear organic top end.

The first day I got it, I plugged my Roscoe into the S900 with a single TC E RS210. With all controls set at noon, the first thing I noticed was how punchy and quick it was compared to the RH450. This was a very pleasant surprise. I guess I was expecting more of the tube sag/give/compression that’s built into the RH450’s voice. The added clarity and high end of the S900 was a welcomed addition too. As I started to play with the EQ, I noticed that a little tweaking didn’t alter the sound drastically like some amps. I love how this EQ behaves, very musical and smooth to my ears. It’s been said before regarding the EQ section on this amp, it’s kind of hard to make this thing sound bad, and I agree.

At home, practicing solo, I tend to EQ my amps so they have a warm low end with just the right amount of clarity and no harshness at low volume levels. With most amps EQ’ed this way at low levels is fine. But when I turn up the volume at band practice, I always find myself cutting the upper mids back a touch. Not so with the S900. It seems like it maintains its voice very well at all volume levels. Also what I love about this amp is the Aux In. Having the ability to plug in my mp3 player, drum machine, ect. into the the aux in and having the both my bass and music come through the headphones and/or bass cab is great! I did notice that the aux in will sum a L-R stereo mix to mono, even in the headphones, but that’s no big deal to me. At band practice I use two RS210’s in a vertical stack and the S900 performs beautifully. I had to cut bass to 10:00, boost 220Hz to 1:30 and the treble was set at 12:00.

I’m starting to like the Streamliner 900 a little more each day. For my tonal goals and to my ear, it’s quick, punchy, has vintage warmth, and modern clarity without the harsh upper mids. At the moment, my RH450 and LMII aren’t going anywhere, I still love those amps for what they do, but the S900 is a very welcomed addition indeed! My amp GAS is cured. However, I do see an Alder/Rosewood Jazz in my future…:D

Thanks to Genz Benz for creating a such a wonderful amp and to all those here on TB for the great reviews and much appreciated info on the Streamliner amps.

Cheers,
-Roy
 
Woo Hoo!

Just (literally) hung up the phone with Greg @ Rocket Music and grabbed the last Bergantino HS 410 to pair up with my SL 900. Also have the HT112ER for small jazz-ish gigs.

Should be peas and carrots. Now, just need gigs to help ease the financial pain!

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+1! Same here!! For my taste, I've rolled the bass back a bit to open up a bit of mid space.

Just out of curiosity, what mid freq. do you have selected and how is it dialed in?

So far, just playing at home, I've got everything dialed in at noon, so no mids. I've experimented with different mid options and the one I probably wouldn't use as often with this cab is the 220, because the HS210 has a pretty nice low mid bump baked into the tone already. It's still a beautiful tone, and a very punchy one, but not what I typically aim for in a band setting. I like how bumping the 600 just a little flattened out the small "scoop" in the mids. I probably prefer this setting somewhere between noon and 2. The 2.5k is really nice for brightening up the cab in the mid to upper mid area. If I was using a dark instrument, I may consider using this setting just a bit.

I like how this cab matches up so well to the 900 that it takes so little eq to make sound right. I still love my TCE RS210's, but they took quite a bit more goosing to get where I wanted them.
 
Manufacturer bags in my experience are usually just fine for protection as long as you are moving the gear yourself and not throwing it in a touring trailer. I have the Gigskinz bag, and while it is a bit nicer than most manufacturer bags, one thing that REALLY bothers me with it is that the Streamliner has to be turned sideways to fit. That means that when holding the loaded bag by the straps, the knobs are facing forward or backward such that if it were swung into a wall or door jamb while walking, those knobs would take the impact. As such, I can't really recommend the Gigskinz bag for the Streamliners, and would suggest buying the Genz bag instead even though I haven't seen it.

I was looking into the Gigskinz small mixer bag and the specs show 12.25-H x 11.5-W x 3.25-D. My Streamliner is ,approx, 11.5 - front of knobs to back,10-W and 3.25-D. If these are the accurate specs for the bag then the head should fit knobs up.Can someone clarify?Thanks.
 
I was looking into the Gigskinz small mixer bag and the specs show 12.25-H x 11.5-W x 3.25-D. My Streamliner is ,approx, 11.5 - front of knobs to back,10-W and 3.25-D. If these are the accurate specs for the bag then the head should fit knobs up.Can someone clarify?Thanks.
I'm not sure. Maybe there's been a redesign. I've had my bag for a couple years, maybe a little longer.
 
Hello all:

So, many folks wondering how the 600 watt version of the Streamliner is performing. I need to replace an Eden WT400, and my Shuttle 6.0 is just too clean for me (Bergie HT112/EX112 mini stack)

I've always been a tube guy until my 50's, and play about 50:50 with my SWR Baby Blue or the Eden Bergie single or stack. My main concerns are how the G string sounds (Jack Casady octave pops) and the thickness of the E string (the old Shuttle 6.0 vs 9.0 argument).

Are you folks happy? I really don't need 900 watts to get to the volume I need

Thanks!!!
 
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