Genz Benz Streamliner Part 9

[Aussie Mark]

Many of us are very pleased to be able to buy british and support british industry

I've owned Triumphs and Rovers too - I hope the electrics of British bass gear is more reliable than Lucas, the prince of darkness

 

[Musicman20]

According to the Genz Benz site, this cab has a handling of 600 watts, the equivalent BF cab (Super Twelve) can handle up to 1200 watts !
Please correct me if I have this comparison wrong .

I've no doubt the BF has higher spec'd speakers. I would never throw 1200 into a 2x12. I'd rather add more cab.

 

[Musicman20]

Of course opinions are allowed - but your opinion on aesthetics is way out of date if it's based on an early 2009 example! Have you seen a current cab in the flesh and if so I'd like an opinion on that?

I've explained why you heard what you heard about five times on different threads since then. I would never ever recommend an SVT3 and Compact for a loud rock band with the tone you'd described to me. I expected you to try the cab with the amp you actually owned and liked (you told me you didn't like the tone of the SVT3 and I said it wouldn't be loud enough with the Compact). With the EQ flat the SVT3 is mid shy but bumped in the lows and when you can't get loud enough all you'd hear is the bass bump.

Can we please stop going over old ground now? I feel like I've been writing this same post in response to you every six months since 2009 on both basschat and talkbass!

It is old ground, but its what I heard. Anyway, this is getting way off topic.

To briefly respond, the EQ was bumped in the mids and dropped in the lows to accommodate the tone. No real difference.

I also tried it at a home setting with the LM3, and again, although not a realistic gig test, fairly similar results.

I've not seen a new BF in the flesh, but the same logo, finish material, handles etc seem to be used. If you can prove me wrong on that, then again it would interest me.

The handle/use of tweeter control in a port is also a major issue for me. Again this is just taste, but I'd personally want to be 100% before I spent £900/£1000.

 

[GRAHAM SG1]

I've owned Triumphs and Rovers too - I hope the electrics of British bass gear is more reliable than Lucas, the prince of darkness

I own a Triumph Street Triple bike and it is much better built than the equivalent MIJ bike

I've no doubt the BF has higher spec'd speakers. I would never throw 1200 into a 2x12. I'd rather add more cab.

I have thrown my Streamliners 900 into it and it is no problem, I dont want more cabs .

 

[Musicman20]

I own a Triumph Street Triple bike and it is much better built than the equivalent MIJ bike

I have thrown my Streamliners 900 into it and it is no problem, I dont want more cabs .

British made is all well and good (I had an original Trace amp and I love Orange gear) but I have no patriotism for my country haha! Mostly I prefer US products, German or Italian.

We do need more amp/cab manufacturers over here.

No I agree if you want a one cab solution you don't want another cab, but throwing lots of watts into one cab isn't as effective as just adding another and taking the pressure off the amp and cab, assuming the amp can safely drive two/three/four cabs.

 

[Tunaman]

I'd totally grab a Barefaced if it was over here

 

[alexclaber]

I've not seen a new BF in the flesh, but the same logo, finish material, handles etc seem to be used.

The finish has gone from two roughly applied coats to four precisely applied ones - that's been one of those learning processes of how to make it look really good. The visual difference between first generation and current cabs in the acrylic coating alone is vast, despite it being the same product that we're applying.

The badge on the cab you saw would still have had its protective plastic covering, so you wouldn't have seen the nice anodised aluminium finish. The plywood is different. The cab construction is completely different, with them now cut on a CNC machine and assembled in our micro-factory rather than cut and built with hand tools. The radius on the edges is larger which looks better and is more damage resistant.

On the hardware front, the woofer and handle bolts are different, the corners are different, the corner and speakon screws are different and there are two speakons on 8 ohm models. There are feet on all the cabs. The grill and mounting method is different. However you're correct that the handles haven't changed - because we've yet to find a better one!

We believe that all the differences between old and new represent improvements on both aesthetic and functional fronts and add up to a much better looking product - back in the day we used to get a lot of "it sounds great despite not looking brilliant" but in recent times it's overwhelmingly "it looks and sounds amazing!" Look at the feedback on our site to hear it from the customers' mouths. If there's more we can improve though, I'd like to do so.

 

[GRAHAM SG1]

Alex, can I have a little elliptical window with a blue light behind cut in the side of my cab to match the front of my Streamliner

 

[Musicman20]

The finish has gone from two roughly applied coats to four precisely applied ones - that's been one of those learning processes of how to make it look really good. The visual difference between first generation and current cabs in the acrylic coating alone is vast, despite it being the same product that we're applying.

The badge on the cab you saw would still have had its protective plastic covering, so you wouldn't have seen the nice anodised aluminium finish. The plywood is different. The cab construction is completely different, with them now cut on a CNC machine and assembled in our micro-factory rather than cut and built with hand tools. The radius on the edges is larger which looks better and is more damage resistant.

On the hardware front, the woofer and handle bolts are different, the corners are different, the corner and speakon screws are different and there are two speakons on 8 ohm models. There are feet on all the cabs. The grill and mounting method is different. However you're correct that the handles haven't changed - because we've yet to find a better one!

We believe that all the differences between old and new represent improvements on both aesthetic and functional fronts and add up to a much better looking product - back in the day we used to get a lot of "it sounds great despite not looking brilliant" but in recent times it's overwhelmingly "it looks and sounds amazing!" Look at the feedback on our site to hear it from the customers' mouths. If there's more we can improve though, I'd like to do so.

This is a good step ill give you that.

If say, for example, someone wanted to have their finish restored, is it possible?

Do you have any pictures of the latest Super 12 from all different angles?

 

[Handyman]

Just got my Streamliner and NeoX 112T cabs today. So far I'm loving it.

What size allen wrench do I need to get the lid off of this thing? I can't find one in my set that fits well.

 

[Handyman]

Just got my Streamliner and NeoX 112T cabs today. So far I'm loving it.

What size allen wrench do I need to get the lid off of this thing? I can't find one in my set that fits well.

I take that back. A 2mm wrench works fine. Tube rolling, here I come.

 

[alexclaber]

If say, for example, someone wanted to have their finish restored, is it possible?

Yes, have refurbed two early Big Ones in the past year, to better than new.

Do you have any pictures of the latest Super 12 from all different angles?

Something else to add to the massive to-do list!

 

[GRAHAM SG1]

I take that back. A 2mm wrench works fine. Tube rolling, here I come

Does this not invalidate the 3 year GB warranty ?

 

[LoveThatBass]

Does this not invalidate the 3 year GB warranty ?

I do not think it does. One of Genz Benz engineers is on this forum and pretty much tells people to go for it. Vacuum Tubes are like tires on a car. They are expendable items as they have a finite lifetime (unlike transistors) and changing them does not effect the warranty. Now if you damage the board because you are a klutz that is a different story.

 

[agedhorse]

Does this not invalidate the 3 year GB warranty ?

No, changing tubes is a user process BUT you should be sure the amp is turned OFF and the power disconnected because there are a lot of hazardous voltages (>300VDC) when energized from the tube circuitry as well as the SMPS.

Also, don't mess with anything else (just stating the obvious ).

 

[LoveThatBass]

No, changing tubes is a user process BUT you should be sure the amp is turned OFF and the power disconnected because there are a lot of hazardous voltages (>300VDC) when energized from the tube circuitry as well as the SMPS.

Also, don't mess with anything else (just stating the obvious ).

There you have it from the "horses mouth". Do it with power down, carefully pull them out and put another Tube in, NOTING the pin layout of the tube. Don't force it and carefully line it up.

 

[hamfistUK]

Does this not invalidate the 3 year GB warranty ?

Only 2 years in the UK, unfortunately.

 

[GRAHAM SG1]

I think I will resist the temptation to tube swap for a while as I am still adjusting to the amp and like it as it is

 

[Musicman20]

Only 2 years in the UK, unfortunately.

I think Genz USA would look after us in any event

That's one reason I own two Genz amps.

 

[Aussie Mark]

The Streamliner on the "SVT" setting sounds very nice indeed with my new Fender Neo 610 ....