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Genz Benz Streamliner Part 9

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I love the idea for pretty much having 2 amps in one, I was considering picking up a GK micro head, or something, basically as an "anti-Streamliner". Just for when I don't feel like the Streamliner's voicing. It's my first vintage voiced amp, and while I love it, sometimes I miss the modern styles.

Seems this is a much better idea, and could easily fit in a bag with the Streamliner or a gigbag, saving carrying two amps.

Time to browse some sites to see what preamps are out there!
 
#162
adivin said:
I understand where you're coming from. I was just looking at it as if someone was in general not happy with the SL sound and used a separate pre amp all the time. In that case they bought the wrong amp for them IMO. But yes, I can see where this is a cool option for the times when you need something that the SL can't deliver.
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It's not that Streamliner has a bad sound. In certain rooms, it sounds better if you remove some of the lowest lows, or add some low mids exactly at 275Hz, or fine tune in other ways that SL cannot. The EQ controls on SL are deliberately simple. But that shouldn't stop you if you love the inherent tone and simply need to get a bit more of control with EQ.

Here is what the ParaEQ looks like. Very small & light. In addition to parametric sweeps, you can control the Q or bandwidth of change. You can dial in the right sound in just a few seconds. Very easy.

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Ukiah Bass said:
It's not that Streamliner has a bad sound. In certain rooms, it sounds better if you remove some of the lowest lows, or add some low mids exactly at 275Hz, or fine tune in other ways that SL cannot. The EQ controls on SL are deliberately simple. But that shouldn't stop you if you love the inherent tone and simply need to get a bit more of control with EQ.

Here is what the ParaEQ looks like. Very small & light. In addition to parametric sweeps, you can control the Q or bandwidth of change. You can dial in the right sound in just a few seconds. Very easy.

So you are totally bypassing the SL preamp the way you use it? How much of the SL's inherent tone are you hearing then?
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adivin said:
Ukiah Bass said:
It's not that Streamliner has a bad sound. In certain rooms, it sounds better if you remove some of the lowest lows, or add some low mids exactly at 275Hz, or fine tune in other ways that SL cannot. The EQ controls on SL are deliberately simple. But that shouldn't stop you if you love the inherent tone and simply need to get a bit more of control with EQ.

Here is what the ParaEQ looks like. Very small & light. In addition to parametric sweeps, you can control the Q or bandwidth of change. You can dial in the right sound in just a few seconds. Very easy.

So you are totally bypassing the SL preamp the way you use it? How much of the SL's inherent tone are you hearing then?
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you hear all the inherent SL tone. EQing simply nudges it in different directions depending on how one manipulates the frequencies, boosts and cuts. The SL's built in EQ capability is good, but is not designed for granular control. They could have built that capability into the amp but then it would have been bigger and more complex (like the 12.x series). It is what it is. A separate EQ box lets you do more.
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adivin said:
So you are totally bypassing the SL preamp the way you use it? How much of the SL's inherent tone are you hearing then?
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I believe that Ukiah Bass runs his in the effects loop, like johnk_10 with his Presonus. I usually run the Empress straight into the front of my Streamliner for fine-tuning. I've found it particularly useful since I picked up a fretless 4-string Jazz bass, which has a very different voicing from my EMG-P-equipped fretted fiver.

Interestingly, though, when I bypassed the Streamliner preamp today to check how much level the ParaEQ could put out, I noticed something that I hadn't noticed before: Although the Streamliner sounds somewhat "quicker" when I substitute a Mackie mixer, the Empress, or some other flat-response device for the SL900's pre, there still seems to be a fair amount of that distinctive Streamliner "weight" under each note.

The power stage seems to make a meaningful contribution to the "Streamliner sound". This makes me all the more interested in checking out the new Shuttle .2's, which apparently use the same output stage...
 
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steve_rolfeca said:
I believe that Ukiah Bass runs his in the effects loop, like johnk_10 with his Presonus. I usually run the Empress straight into the front of my Streamliner for fine-tuning.
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No, I use it like you. Bass goes into ParaEQ, then into the amp. But if you're doing it like this, you should set the SL knobs to relatively flat EQ. That's bass @ 9:00, etc.
 
#167
Lately, when I'm using the Streamliner on its own in "flat mode" (bass and low mids rolled off a bunch, treble rolled off a hair), I've been sculpting even a little more off the low mids, so that I can turn the bass back up a squinch. Depending on the room, I typically end up with the Bass approaching 10 o'clock, and low mids @ about 8:30.

Gives a firmer-sounding low B, yet still helps to keep my tone from disappearing into busy mixes with my very full and smooth-sounding AudioKinesis cab, and warm-sounding EMG 40P5's.

With the passive fretless (Dimarzio Area J's and D'Addario Chromes), I usually bring the bass up a fair amount, and push the upper mids a little.
 
#168
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#169
I'm thinking of getting two 8-ohm GB Uber cabinets to go with my STM-900. I was looking at 3 different combinations, and I want some opinions on which one you guys would prefer.

A: 2 Uber 1x15" cabs
B: 2 Uber Quad cabs
C: 1 Uber Quad cab and 1 Uber 1x15" cab

I'm thinking that 2 Uber Quad cabs may not provide enough lows. I've also heard time and time again on these forums that it's not good to pair cabs with different speaker sizes together, so I'm wondering if that would be an issue with an Uber Quad and Uber 1x15" together. Thoughts?
 
#170
Genz Has always said they design their cabs to compliment each other...two Uber Quads would be very '3D' sounding, but you're prolly right about the real deep lows. Kirk Powers (aka SvtB15 on TB) has used that combo with terrific results.
 
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Killens84 said:
I'm thinking of getting two 8-ohm GB Uber cabinets to go with my STM-900. I was looking at 3 different combinations, and I want some opinions on which one you guys would prefer.

A: 2 Uber 1x15" cabs
B: 2 Uber Quad cabs
C: 1 Uber Quad cab and 1 Uber 1x15" cab

I'm thinking that 2 Uber Quad cabs may not provide enough lows. I've also heard time and time again on these forums that it's not good to pair cabs with different speaker sizes together, so I'm wondering if that would be an issue with an Uber Quad and Uber 1x15" together. Thoughts?
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I have been using my Streamliner 900 with a pair of Uber Quads for a year now, plenty of lows. My main band is very loud and I have no problem with tone or volume in large venues with no PA support. I am sure the 15/Quad sounds excellent also. One Quad really surprised me with the tone and volume.

Mark
 
#173
Thank you Dukeorock.

The 115 and Quad do work well.. The 115 seems a little louder to me though.. I am OK with that..
Two Quads are killer and have good enough bottom for almost any gig.. BUT the two 115s are the rock rig.. I actually like it MUCH more than any 810.. Seems to be more clear and have better definition than any 810.. Just my opinion
 
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steve_rolfeca said:
Four 8's, four 12's and 2 tweeters, just for a (hopefully) gigging bass player. The mind boggles...

Killens, you be going to move some air!
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Four 12's? Two Uber Quads would have two 12's, right? And yes, I gig every week. Right now I'm using an Uber 410 with my Streamliner 900. I love the setup, but I'm considering going to a two-cabinet stack in order to have more total speaker area (more air), and to have the speakers closer to my ears. I wish the Uber 212's were 8 ohm so I could run two of those.
 
#176
Killens84 said:
Four 12's? Two Uber Quads would have two 12's, right? And yes, I gig every week. Right now I'm using an Uber 410 with my Streamliner 900. I love the setup, but I'm considering going to a two-cabinet stack in order to have more total speaker area (more air), and to have the speakers closer to my ears. I wish the Uber 212's were 8 ohm so I could run two of those.
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Ditto on an 8 ohm 212T Über cab!!!

Just ordered a SMax 9.2...should be here in a few weeks...can't wait!!!
 
#177
Killens84 said:
Four 12's? Two Uber Quads would have two 12's, right? And yes, I gig every week.

...I'm considering going to a two-cabinet stack in order to have more total speaker area (more air), and to have the speakers closer to my ears.
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Apparently, math is not one of my strengths before that first coffee. Since I don't drink coffee, that could be a real problem... :crying:

I hear ya on short rigs. It's my only beef with the 4ohm "super 12" I'm currently using (AudioKinesis Thunderchild). I hate it when I have to stand too close to a compact cab, and don't get a proper perspective on the upper mid and treble balance.
 
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adivin said:
I thought you guys were just using the SL as a power amp. So you're going from the ParaEQ into the front of the SL?
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The reason for setting the SL truly flat is because I'm now controlling EQ from the ParaEQ box. This setup works the same as going through the effects loop and it requires much less cabling and clutter. Kind of like using active onboard EQ to control sound from the bass, except with far more precision. (For this reason, I also leave bass EQ settings flat. Minimizes the variables.)
 
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