Have tried both these. Thanks for the suggestions tho. I've used all tube amps all my life, & no matter how I adjust gain/vol, just sounds boomy -as my band mates said too.
Will keep trying tho
Will keep trying tho
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Genz Benz Streamliner Pt 7.....
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Aussie Mark
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- Oct 26, 2002
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This is a surprise, Rod - I thought you'd decided you weren't going to buy a Streamliner?
At such a price, couln't resist :-/ Also, I do a fair few ' two gigs/night, & have 2 have a back up. Am hoping the Stl-600 can be a totally viable alternative to my W.A.
So far, I like it, but is boom city.
So far, I like it, but is boom city.
I had pretty much the same experience. I loved the sound of the head in my music room but I just wasn't happy with it at the gig. Much to boomy sounding in the mix.
The guys in the band and our sound crew echoed the same. It really muddied up the stage mix and sounded to boomy and undefined in audience.
If I cut the bass it sounded too thin. I tried quite a few variations of EQ. It probably had a lot to do with the Epi UL-112 that I use at church. The Berg 112 might have been better but the head needs to sound good through both cabinets. The 9.2 does.
I really thought that as much as I loved the tone of the 9.2 a little more of the tubey warmth would be better. I guess the SL line is a bit too much that direction for me.
I went back to the Shuttlemax 9.2 head. I may eventually pickup a used SL600 for the house though. Definitely a fun head to play though solo!
I too have been hearing this boomy tone but im putting it down to the venue. On the gigs ive used both my STL600 and F1 recently both heads have either worked well or neither has been perfect.
Last night i couldn't do anything about the higher notes sounding boomy, more so out in the audience rather than close up. I was a bit fed up that i couldn't dial it out but i also realized this was on a hollow wooden floor (i also had my Gramma pad but it didn't really help).
Last weekend both heads could do no wrong on hollow stages and in a Marquee.
Last night i couldn't do anything about the higher notes sounding boomy, more so out in the audience rather than close up. I was a bit fed up that i couldn't dial it out but i also realized this was on a hollow wooden floor (i also had my Gramma pad but it didn't really help).
Last weekend both heads could do no wrong on hollow stages and in a Marquee.
+1
I rolled the bass completely back and still had a usable tone. It's been mentioned before, but you can use the entire sweep of each knob. It is the most usable eq I have even seen. With my LM III any extreme eq settings killed the tone.
Don't be afraid to dial in the eq further than you normally would, I am confident you will find your tone.
IMO if you are running a ported cab, you will need to get more extreme with the bass cut. I am running a sealed 810, and even with that I keep the bass dialed back to 10:30 or so.
My band rehearses through DI and a headphone amp, I find that even in that setting the bass is overwhelming at 12:00 or higher. The Streamliner has an extremely fat bottom, but it can be reigned in.
This does not sound right to me.
I have three passive and two active electric basses and I do not engage the Gain switch unless I want Overdrive.
With the Amp EQ set flat, input, channel, and master volume controls at 12:00, It will spank at a loud gig. I'm using two Bergantino HT12ER cabs.
Loud.
I think pickup height and action may come into play here. On a passive bass with the pickups lowered and a high action the output of the bass is effected greatly. The amount of gain needed is directly proportional to the output signal strength of the bass. Each one will be different.
Yes I do conceed things like this could affect the situation. As well there could be other problems such as between bass and amp.
Sumfin aint right fer sure.
I find this really interesting. My experience was the exact opposite- I couldn't get comfortable with the sound of the Streamliner 900 in the store, but loved the way it worked on the gig, once I dialed it in.
My first impression in the store, was that it was not muddy, but too... ...something. But although I preferred the quicker, more articulate sound of the Shuttle 9.0 in the store, it still had the clattery top end that I've been trying to dial out for years, and the SL900 didn't. Even though I wasn't getting the tone I wanted from the SL, I could hear it was in there, if that makes sense.
So I bought the Streamliner rather reluctantly. Sure enough, once I figured out that the gain section acts like a secondary EQ section, I've been happy as a clam. Just like a P-bass, it's not my favourite tone at home, but I love it on stage.
I wonder if cab choices have something to do with this. I use fairly flat-response 3-way cabinets (imagine less powerful, smaller fEArfuls) and the Streamliner has consistently made them sound great on problem stages that have bugged me in the past. I have an Audio Kinesis Thunderchild on order, and I have high hopes for it as well.
Given the fat tones that the SL is capable of, maybe "warmer", low-mid-bumped cabinets are a bad choice?
Have you tried it with the SA410 that your profile shows?
That might be a good match-up.
Yep tried it with Bass cut-@ 9 o'clock last night. Still got reports of boomy sound muddy-ing up stage.
Have tried it thru the SA410,AE410 AE212, AE112 & Mark Bass HR115Std- so far I like it thru the 1x15 best.
Outta the others, both 410's a are tighter than the 12's,r especially the 212.
Shame, as I like the amp, like its concept, but boom city, I can live without. Will try cutting the bass control below even 9 o'clock tonite. Very strange 4 me. I don't think I've ever cut the bass on an amp less than about 10.30, even in Bad rooms. I hope it works!
Am wondering what all the glowing reviews of this amp are hearing?
Sounds good by itself tho... I ' get' the 3D thing, but i never had a tube amp sound like this.
Have tried it thru the SA410,AE410 AE212, AE112 & Mark Bass HR115Std- so far I like it thru the 1x15 best.
Outta the others, both 410's a are tighter than the 12's,r especially the 212.
Shame, as I like the amp, like its concept, but boom city, I can live without. Will try cutting the bass control below even 9 o'clock tonite. Very strange 4 me. I don't think I've ever cut the bass on an amp less than about 10.30, even in Bad rooms. I hope it works!
Am wondering what all the glowing reviews of this amp are hearing?
Sounds good by itself tho... I ' get' the 3D thing, but i never had a tube amp sound like this.
3rdcurve said:+1
I rolled the bass completely back and still had a usable tone. It's been mentioned before, but you can use the entire sweep of each knob. It is the most usable eq I have even seen. With my LM III any extreme eq settings killed the tone.
Don't be afraid to dial in the eq further than you normally would, I am confident you will find your tone.
Yep,I'm already rolling it way back more than i have on any other amp I've ever used, & will try cutting it completely tonite, tho IF that works, & I get a useable tone, it doesn't leave me any room to Cut bass if I need to :-/
rodl2005 said:
I'm wondering if you've got a soft tube in the midrange EQ circuit? If it was short on gain, that would scoop the mids even more than Genz's intended voicing...
If I'm going for a less dark/muddy/boomy tone, I have the gain switch on, and the gain quite a bit higher than the volume, bass at 9 o'clock, mid switch at 600, mids between 1:30 & 3:00, and the treble at 1:30.
That usually does the trick even with my tweeter off.
That usually does the trick even with my tweeter off.
I'm finding so many tone variations. Between the flexibility of the G&L and Streamliner, it's also endless possibilities. Such a big sound out of my Berg too!
As you cut the bass, boost your mids. I have found that by doing this it reduces the amount bass you need cut. Since the head has an inherently scooped profile to begin with, the mids should be boosted to bring it back to flat. I also find much less boomyness and better articulation with the mid freq set at 2.5k. I hope it works for you!
The Streamliner is not that bass heavy. Yeah it has bump down low but remains really tight. If your having to cut the bass control all the way down you have another problem going on.
Again, yes the Stremaliner has some goose in the bottom but not so much a subtle EQ tweak can not remove it.
That being said I set mine flat with my Berg HT1X12ER cabs. I like it.
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