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Genz Benz Streamliner Pt 7.....

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#341
Red Planet said:
The Streamliner is not that bass heavy. Yeah it has bump down low but remains really tight. If your having to cut the bass control all the way down you have another problem going on.

Again, yes the Stremaliner has some goose in the bottom but not so much a subtle EQ tweak can not remove it.

That being said I set mine flat with my Berg HT1X12ER cabs. I like it. :bassist:
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I'm already boosting the mids-have tried @each eq point. What' other prob might I have ? Tried in different rooms, cabs etc...
Also-plenty of gain, so don't think a tube is the prob.
 
#342
rodl2005 said:
I'm already boosting the mids-have tried @each eq point. What' other prob might I have ? Tried in different rooms, cabs etc...
Also-plenty of gain, so don't think a tube is the prob.
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Not sure.

The Streamliner is not extreme or anything, it's just an amp. There is something else at play here.

What basses, cabs etc... list it all?
 
#343
Alleva-Coppolo EUT5 w-rounds
EBMM 'ray 5-rounds
Fender P-TI flats , all maple boards.
Lakland P5 rounds rw board
Streamliner Stl-600 > Berg-AE-410. 212 & 112. Berg.NV215, SA410(HS410). Mark Bass HR151STD, EV TL606(1x15)
So far I like it into the single 15" cabs best. Tho the AE410 is nice with its mid ' hump'.
I think it's the way the streamliner's voiced, as I use the Shuttle 6 with any of the listed cabs with no dramas. No-one complains about boominess-ever.
As I said tho, I'll keep trying, as I like the 3D effect at home etc. & like the amount of gain, drive, vol.
I really like GB stuff & would hate to have to give up on this amp.
Thanx so far for the suggestions.
Edit: I forgot to say I had tried it with a Mark Bass 410HR also..
 
#344
Darkstrike said:
If I'm going for a less dark/muddy/boomy tone, I have the gain switch on, and the gain quite a bit higher than the volume, bass at 9 o'clock, mid switch at 600, mids between 1:30 & 3:00, and the treble at 1:30.

That usually does the trick even with my tweeter off.
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So many different experiences with this amp. Some people like it with everything at noon, many of us find that too fat....

My experience is the opposite of Darkstrike's. I have the gain switch out, and I run the gain lower than the preamp volume, in order to increase the amount of articulation. When I raise the gain, it gets too thick and compressed, at least for the sound that I'm after. Not to the point of being audibly distorted, just "thick". I prefer the extra quickness and articulation I get with the input gain at around 10 o'clock, and the volume boosted to compensate. As I mentioned in previous posts, I never find the amp boomy, but that may be simply because my cabs are pretty dry-sounding, with less "woof' than a lot of conventional bass cabs.

I have no idea what the differences in our experience with the Streamliner mean.

My basses are both active, with quite a bit of output, for whatever that's worth. EMG 40P5's with no onboard EQ on one, the other is an Ibanez ATK305 with an extra ATK pickup at the neck, an EMG active balance control, and the stock preamp/EQ. D'Addario nickel rounds on both.
 
#346
I've 'fiddled' around with it a lot. Boosted mids -3 0clock - at each freq point. Cut bass to 9 oclock- Will try cutting it even further @ tonites gig.

Don't get ME wrong, I'm liking it's tone (I've been an Ampeg ALL tube amp guy for yrs) & I aint after the full on tube OD sound-unless a song calls for it. & I like the way the gain (engaged) WILL give a decent OD if ya dial it in.
Just BOOMY for me & the rest of the band members in each band I play in. & I HAVE tried varying the settings on each of these occasions.
I'm ALSO NOT saying I like the Shuttle 6.0 MORE, just it does what IT does really well & doesn't gimme that un-articulate boominess even WITH the bass boosted-LOTS.
As I said- am HOPING & HOPING that the STL-600 WILL work for me, as I do like it's 'round-ness', Just hoping I can get SOME of that round-ness without too much boomyness that upsets -well, ME & the rest of the band.
Perhaps a STL-600 with an adjustable MID freq -a'la the Shuttle ;-)
GB's Customer service is 2nd to NONE, & I'm sure they'll listen to ME, just me & nobody else but me. He says jokingly! ;-)
 
#347
My apologies in advance if this has already been answered in this thread...

But does the GB Streamliner 900 handle both active and passive basses? I don't see a switch for that on the front of the amp, or in the specs/feature list online.
 
#349
PENLIYL said:
My apologies in advance if this has already been answered in this thread...

But does the GB Streamliner 900 handle both active and passive basses? I don't see a switch for that on the front of the amp, or in the specs/feature list online.
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You can download the manual from the GB website. It mentions active basses and gives a good starting point for both active and passive.
 
#351
steve_rolfeca said:
So many different experiences with this amp. Some people like it with everything at noon, many of us find that too fat....

My experience is the opposite of Darkstrike's. I have the gain switch out, and I run the gain lower than the preamp volume, in order to increase the amount of articulation. When I raise the gain, it gets too thick and compressed, at least for the sound that I'm after. Not to the point of being audibly distorted, just "thick". I prefer the extra quickness and articulation I get with the input gain at around 10 o'clock, and the volume boosted to compensate. As I mentioned in previous posts, I never find the amp boomy, but that may be simply because my cabs are pretty dry-sounding, with less "woof' than a lot of conventional bass cabs.

I have no idea what the differences in our experience with the Streamliner mean.

My basses are both active, with quite a bit of output, for whatever that's worth. EMG 40P5's with no onboard EQ on one, the other is an Ibanez ATK305 with an extra ATK pickup at the neck, an EMG active balance control, and the stock preamp/EQ. D'Addario nickel rounds on both.
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Darkstrike said:
I'm gonna have to try it that way tomorrow, I've almost never turned the gain switch off.
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Went ahead with this, and definitely cleaner/brighter/more articulate/modern, or however you want to describe that kind of sound. I was getting it bright enough, but this is taking it much further in the modern direction, which is a huge bonus for me. My Roscoes are pretty darkly voiced naturally, so combined with the Streamliner, I was only using them for a fat, fat tone. Now I'm able to get close to my "pre-Streamliner" tone with them, which was with a modern solid state amp. Close, but a bit fuller, and better. Heh, more impressed than ever with this little wonder.
 
#352
Darkstrike said:
...definitely cleaner/brighter/more articulate/modern, or however you want to describe that kind of sound. I was getting it bright enough, but this is taking it much further in the modern direction, which is a huge bonus for me.

...Now I'm able to get close to my "pre-Streamliner" tone with them, which was with a modern solid state amp. Close, but a bit fuller, and better.
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Yep. The gain section really is a secondary tone control on these things, and you don't have to worry about getting down into the noise floor. On my SWR and Eden heads, if you ran the gain too low, they started sounding pretty sketchy. Not so on the SL.

As Agedhorse mentioned in a PM, there's a lot of engineering behind that deceptively "simple" front end.
 
#354
Hopefully you.ll be happy to know I got a great tone outta my STL-600 last nite. Gig was in a shocking room, & using the more extreme eq settings-bass @ 8.30, mids @ 3 etc, I managed to get a great sound. More later when I've more time. Thanx for all the helpful suggestions.
Rod
Edit-seems cutting/ boosting the eq's, gets' stronger the more severe u go...duh! I mean, it's like the eq curve gets more acute the further u turn the dial??
Whatever, it worked anyway. Used my Alleva-Coppolo EUT5-flats & AE212 & found cutting the bass that extra li'l bit made most of the difference.
Happy at the moment, as this was a crud of a room, huge bass bloom in it. I usually have to cut my onstage bass settings there anyway, so am figuring, if it worked there.....
Thanx again,i told you I was gonna persevere!
 
#355
OK, I once again must state how enamored I am of this company's products.

Had a gig Friday night, and the tone I was getting was absolutely heavenly. My lead guitar player was intimating that the bass was too loud (but probably only because he could hear it:smug:), but it was so warm, so phat and so articulate, all at the same time.

Since going from the GBE1200 to the Stl900, I have also acquired a Diamond BCP-1 compressor, and this has made my tone not only all of the above, but it adds just a little extra mid range boost, and just the right amount of punch to give my tone everything I could want.

My basses have never sounded soooooo good! Now, if only I could learn to play them as well as they sound tonally.:rolleyes:

All right, back to practicing.:bassist:
 
#357
rodl2005 said:
...seems cutting/ boosting the eq's, gets' stronger the more severe u go...duh! I mean, it's like the eq curve gets more acute the further u turn the dial??
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rodl2005 said:
Never had to cut the bass eq that much before, but it worked. THAT'S the main thing.
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The precurve on the Streamliner's controls is so strong that when I first got it, I felt moved to grab a scope, to help me figure out where "flat" was.

At least in theory, I prefer the control layout on amps like the Shuttles, or the Eden WTX series, where noon is flat, and the knobs give you a visual indication of the EQ curve you're dialing in. Initially, after realizing how much bass cut and mid boost was required on the SL, I was a little ticked. I even PM'd agedhorse, asking if there was any way to flatten it out a little.

But in practice, on those other amps I was always bothered by the touchiness of the controls- a lot of the time, a single click on my Eden was almost too much. Ditto on the Shuttle.

I'm coming to realize that it's as if the Streamliner development team stretched out the most important range of control, so that it covers a broader area on the knob. It makes for odd-looking settings when I have my typical tones dialed in, but it gives me the control where I need it most.

And just when I start thinking that the EQ is running out of gas (because I've got a knob at 9 o'clock or 3 o'clock), it turns out that there's a surprising amount of adjustment left in that final 1/8th of a turn. The user interface is an acquired taste for sure, but I'm getting to like it...
 
#359
Im in town till the first week of July.... So i got a call from a Band whos bass player had to go on his family vacation. Never met them before... But they know some guys that i have gigged with in the past..
They asked me to fill in for him.. So, I show up to the gig yesterday. Set up my gear..
The guys have seen my gear on my Facebook.. and they the guitar player said to me.... WOW.. so you really do play Genz Benz gear all the time???... I thought to myself... What The @^#% ?.. i said um yeah! LOL.. It was just funny to me..

Sound crew liked it.... They all liked it... I used my SM12 into the Uber 115 , Alleva Coppolo LG5 Classic Supreme and ran DI out for IEMs....
 
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