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Genz Benz Streamliner Pt 7.....

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I cant see why they wouldn't be. But I've not used ANY Avatar cabs- sorry. Works VERY wel with a Berg AE112- As TB member esoxhntr mentioned to me- Possibly the STL is 'voiced' to be used mainly WITH single 12"s or 2x10s etc - hence the HUGE bass bloom- I found anyway!
I used the STL-600 with the Berg AE112 & found I only cut the bass to 10.30-11pm & boost 600 mids to about 2pm.
Gonna try it with my NV215 this weekend!!!!!!!
 
Any slap players using streamliners? I was wondering what settings you all are using for a nice modern slap tone with your SL. I'm also interested to see what setting you all run your SL in other situations.

I'm not much of a slap player, but this is the S900 into a Berg AE210 using my AmDlxP (PJ) last Sunday (mix of finger and slap)

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That is bass at around 11:00, mid at about 1:00 (600hz), treble about noon.
 
nostatic said:
I'm not much of a slap player, but this is the S900 into a Berg AE210 using my AmDlxP (PJ) last Sunday (mix of finger and slap)

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That is bass at around 11:00, mid at about 1:00 (600hz), treble about noon.

Your tone rocks man! I've been able to dial a great punchy slap tone with the bass at 1 the, mids at 1 at 200 hz and the treble at noon with my carvin sb5000 and my humble avatar 212 neo. And if I want a more vintage slap tone I bring down the master and keep the gain at noon with the gain on boost and the neck pup soloed. Man I'm loving this little amp can't wait to get a better cab.
 
Noob question here. I'm on the fence on a new head purchase. My first choice is the Streamliner 600, then the TC RH450. I prefer the tone of the GB, and if the STM-600 has enough horsepower I'll go that way.

Everyone says the TC has ample volume at 450W to cover a mid-sized club gig (250 people) with no PA support. How does the STM-600 stack up against the RH450 volume-wise? Do you have to push the TC harder than the GB to attain the same volume, or vise versa? How do "Genz Benz watts" compare to "TC watts"? (Yes, I know, watts are watts, but we all know different companies rate their products very differently.)

I should say I'm in a loud rock band, with the guitarist rocking a full stack of Peavey 5150's. I often go with a gritty high end OD in my tone, about like let's say Geddy Lee's modern tone. Right now I'm using an Eden D410XLT, but I'm planning to replace that with a couple 2x10s (or 2x10 plus 2x12, probably TC or GB cabs) in the interest of modularity and portability.

Is the STM-600 gonna cut it for me volume-wise, or should I save up for the 900, or go with the TC?
 
...My first choice is the Streamliner 600, then the TC RH450. I prefer the tone of the GB, and if the STM-600 has enough horsepower I'll go that way.

...How does the STM-600 stack up against the RH450 volume-wise? Do you have to push the TC harder than the GB to attain the same volume, or vise versa? How do "Genz Benz watts" compare to "TC watts"?

...I should say I'm in a loud rock band, with the guitarist rocking a full stack of Peavey 5150's.

...Is the STM-600 gonna cut it for me volume-wise, or should I save up for the 900, or go with the TC?

The only major difference will be how you set the knobs. Genz and TC watts seem pretty comparable, so there should be no surprises there. 375w into 8 ohms and 600w into 4 ohms from the Streamliner 600 should be enough for any reasonable situation. So if you prefer the Streamliner tone, I can't think of a single reason to settle for the TC. Even if you like stuff like the built-in tuner on the RH450, there are lots of good pedals out there...

That said, I just surprised myself with my gut reaction to your question. I'm normally pretty conservative about power ratings (I've played in rock bands with a little SWR Studio 220), and the difference between 600 and 900 watts isn't that great. Also, I originally felt some guilt about buying the 900, when I knew that a 600 would probably do everything I need.

However, after living with the 900 for a while, I can't see why you wouldn't pony up the extra bucks.

For one thing, don't forget that all three of these amps represent a pretty significant investment, and to my ears, the SL900 tore the RH450 a new one. If you were really serious about saving money, you'd have settled for an Ampeg PF500 or a G-K MB500. Since you're not settling, why not go for the gusto?

For another, what's that saying, "buy once, cry once"? If you like the SL tone as much as I do, this could be the last amp you'll ever buy. Given that the price difference between the 600 and 900 is about the same as a good pedal, why settle for second best?

Also, you mention that you haven't finalized your cab choices yet. The SL900 will give you more flexibility in a modular rig, thanks to the 500 watt rating at 8 ohms. Imagine having equivalent power to a maxed-out Markbass LMIII, without being tied to a 4 ohm load!

Finally, the combination of light weight and effortless headroom from the SL900 is pretty addictive. If your guitarist is really opening that 5150 stack up, then there will be times when you could use the extra booty. Of course, you could always pair the SL600 with a separate power amp, but you could do that with the SL900 as well. Meanwhile, you're less likely to feel the need with the bigger head. So why take a chance on coming up short, when the price and weight differences between the 600 and 900 are minimal?
 
steve_rolfeca said:
The only major difference will be how you set the knobs. Genz and TC watts seem pretty comparable, so there should be no surprises there. 375w into 8 ohms and 600w into 4 ohms from the Streamliner 600 should be enough for any reasonable situation. So if you prefer the Streamliner tone, I can't think of a single reason to settle for the TC. Even if you like stuff like the built-in tuner on the RH450, there are lots of good pedals out there...

That said, I just surprised myself with my gut reaction to your question. I'm normally pretty conservative about power ratings (I've played in rock bands with a little SWR Studio 220), and the difference between 600 and 900 watts isn't that great. Also, I originally felt some guilt about buying the 900, when I knew that a 600 would probably do everything I need.

However, after living with the 900 for a while, I can't see why you wouldn't pony up the extra bucks.

For one thing, don't forget that all three of these amps represent a pretty significant investment, and to my ears, the SL900 tore the RH450 a new one. If you were really serious about saving money, you'd have settled for an Ampeg PF500 or a G-K MB500. Since you're not settling, why not go for the gusto?

For another, what's that saying, "buy once, cry once"? If you like the SL tone as much as I do, this could be the last amp you'll ever buy. Given that the price difference between the 600 and 900 is about the same as a good pedal, why settle for second best?

Also, you mention that you haven't finalized your cab choices yet. The SL900 will give you more flexibility in a modular rig, thanks to the 500 watt rating at 8 ohms. Imagine having equivalent power to a maxed-out Markbass LMIII, without being tied to a 4 ohm load!

Finally, the combination of light weight and effortless headroom from the SL900 is pretty addictive. If your guitarist is really opening that 5150 stack up, then there will be times when you could use the extra booty. Of course, you could always pair the SL600 with a separate power amp, but you could do that with the SL900 as well. Meanwhile, you're less likely to feel the need with the bigger head. So why take a chance on coming up short, when the price and weight differences between the 600 and 900 are minimal?

Agreed
 
StickBass said:
Noob question here. I'm on the fence on a new head purchase. My first choice is the Streamliner 600, then the TC RH450. I prefer the tone of the GB, and if the STM-600 has enough horsepower I'll go that way.

Everyone says the TC has ample volume at 450W to cover a mid-sized club gig (250 people) with no PA support. How does the STM-600 stack up against the RH450 volume-wise? Do you have to push the TC harder than the GB to attain the same volume, or vise versa? How do "Genz Benz watts" compare to "TC watts"? (Yes, I know, watts are watts, but we all know different companies rate their products very differently.)

I should say I'm in a loud rock band, with the guitarist rocking a full stack of Peavey 5150's. I often go with a gritty high end OD in my tone, about like let's say Geddy Lee's modern tone. Right now I'm using an Eden D410XLT, but I'm planning to replace that with a couple 2x10s (or 2x10 plus 2x12, probably TC or GB cabs) in the interest of modularity and portability.

Is the STM-600 gonna cut it for me volume-wise, or should I save up for the 900, or go with the TC?

You may want to re-think getting rid off the Eden 410. It happens to be a great match with the SL. The SL tones down the mid bump of the cab.
 
However, after living with the 900 for a while, I can't see why you wouldn't pony up the extra bucks.

For one thing, don't forget that all three of these amps represent a pretty significant investment, and to my ears, the SL900 tore the RH450 a new one. If you were really serious about saving money, you'd have settled for an Ampeg PF500 or a G-K MB500. Since you're not settling, why not go for the gusto?

I was considering several heads at one point with the GK being at about the top of my budget. I "settled" for the 600 which, for me, was ponying up the extra bucks.

It's always easier spending someone else's money. :)
 
I'm kind of in your boat, Emor. The wife isn't too sympathetic to my GAS! An extra $300 is a lot in this economy. There's an eBay seller that's been selling the RH450 at $569, and I could get the STM-600 for $30 more. I've actually been looking at used heads, and considering going with an Eden to save $$. Dang! I just missed a WT-500 for $335! IME 500 "Eden watts" are plenty to cover loud rock gigs. That's why I'm hoping 600 "GB watts" will be similar volume-wise. Any advice there would be appreciated.

Anyway, if an STM-600 is gonna do the trick, I might have to live without the extra headroom of the 900. Again, any words of wisdom on that, I'd be mucho obligado. I'm in a situation where my old amp has pretty much died, and I need to replace it pretty quick--but it might be hard for me to come up with the extra $300 that quickly, even if I were to decide to bite the bullet and go with the STM-900. I'd prolly find a way to do it, though, if I think I'd really need it.

As far as cabs, yes, the 410XLT is great, but the dang thing is heavy and it's a struggle to fit it into my sedan. Plus it's only 8 ohms (limiting me to 375W with the STM-600, as was pointed out, unless I take along a *second* heavy cab to get me down to 4 ohms!) and it isn't modular enough to be able to cover various sizes of gigs (I don't always play with my 5150 guy, sometimes I have quieter gigs, especially on the Chapman Stick). I'm really after a lighter, more scalable alternative. Too bad the Streamliners don't go down to 2 ohms--as it is I might have to end up with a 4 ohm cab (for single-cab applications) & TWO 8 ohm cabs (for two-cab situations) to make the rig more scalable. So my main question there is: How is the STM-600 going to hang at 375W into 8 ohms? Will I be forced to always bring two cabs when playing with the rock band? That might actually be an argument against GB, and in favor of Eden or even something like a Markbass Little Mark Tube 800, which is also on my list (but lower down on the list). Decisions, decisions!!
 
I'm kind of in your boat, Emor. The wife isn't too sympathetic to my GAS! An extra $300 is a lot in this economy. There's an eBay seller that's been selling the RH450 at $569, and I could get the STM-600 for $30 more. I've actually been looking at used heads, and considering going with an Eden to save $$. Dang! I just missed a WT-500 for $335! IME 500 "Eden watts" are plenty to cover loud rock gigs. That's why I'm hoping 600 "GB watts" will be similar volume-wise. Any advice there would be appreciated.

Anyway, if an STM-600 is gonna do the trick, I might have to live without the extra headroom of the 900. Again, any words of wisdom on that, I'd be mucho obligado. I'm in a situation where my old amp has pretty much died, and I need to replace it pretty quick--but it might be hard for me to come up with the extra $300 that quickly, even if I were to decide to bite the bullet and go with the STM-900. I'd prolly find a way to do it, though, if I think I'd really need it.

As far as cabs, yes, the 410XLT is great, but the dang thing is heavy and it's a struggle to fit it into my sedan. Plus it's only 8 ohms (limiting me to 375W with the STM-600, as was pointed out, unless I take along a *second* heavy cab to get me down to 4 ohms!) and it isn't modular enough to be able to cover various sizes of gigs (I don't always play with my 5150 guy, sometimes I have quieter gigs, especially on the Chapman Stick). I'm really after a lighter, more scalable alternative. Too bad the Streamliners don't go down to 2 ohms--as it is I might have to end up with a 4 ohm cab (for single-cab applications) & TWO 8 ohm cabs (for two-cab situations) to make the rig more scalable. So my main question there is: How is the STM-600 going to hang at 375W into 8 ohms? Will I be forced to always bring two cabs when playing with the rock band? That might actually be an argument against GB, and in favor of Eden or even something like a Markbass Little Mark Tube 800, which is also on my list (but lower down on the list). Decisions, decisions!!
If you want the SL600 and are a little low on funds. Buy from zzSounds. They have a nice 4 ez payment plan on the SL600 and American Musical has an 5 ez Payment plan on the 900. And if you find elswhere cheaper they will beat the price. I found an authorized dealer on ebay that had the SL600 for 769.00. I called zzSounds and they gave it to me for 758.00.. So, 4 payments of 189.50! Gave me time to sell my shuttle 600 and pay off the balance.
 
That's a pretty good idea, Alex. I'm now finding ebay sellers offering the STM-900 for $699. I'll have to see if they're authorized GB sellers--if so, hopefully Zzounds will go even lower!
Find if its an authorized dealer - use this link for the SL600. Fill it out and usually same day they will respond with an offer. Then you can do the 4 payment thing. you can call too. They have great customer service. The 4 payments is nice on the pocketbook and will make the wife happier.
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