Genz Streamliner 600/900 tone control primer

[johnk_10]

to me, the second part of the clip has a bit more 'girth' to all of the notes as well as being slightly more even from note to note. IMO, the first part of the clip has a little more transparency/immediacy to it and a little more 'burp', but i woudn't have a problem using either of them on a gig and you could slightly eq either one to approximate the other.

 

[KJung]

to me, the second part of the clip has a bit more 'girth' to all of the notes as well as being slightly more even from note to note. IMO, the first part of the clip has a little more transparency/immediacy to it and a little more 'burp', but i woudn't have a problem using either of them on a gig and you could slightly eq either one to approximate the other.

+1 I would describe the difference as a bit higher ratio of upper mids to deep low and upper treble in the first clip, making it a bit more 'immediate', versus a wider footrpint in the second that is fatter and a bit more relaxed.

+1 Also that we are probably talking about a smidge on the bass EQ knobs either way.

Both sound great, and again, more similar than different.

 

[svtb15]

I know i have said this before . .but i use mt Streamliner in place of an SVT head on backline rentals all the time. Does it sound exactly like an SVT NO.. But i really dont want it to anyway..
The streamliner will stay cleaner longer than the SVT will .. The streamliner is a great all around amp.
Here's one for you. I was at my rehearsal place the other day.. We had two 810s and I used a Crown MA1200 poweramp but used he Streamliner as a preamp into the crown.. The streamliner sound ,but able to do 2 Ohms... Fun thing to try out if you have the time.. I would use that rig on next summer gigs without a second thought.

It works great as a standalone Preamp too...

 

[suraci]

Well the clips are being heard through headphones, but I liked the openess of the first segment where the second segment sounded compressed more... maybe earphones
Thank you JohnK

 

[TC.65]

I liked both clips they sound similar but the second clip was somewhat smoother. It's funny some people have posted that the Streamliner sounds nothing like a tube amp. These clips tell me it does.

 

[johnk_10]

well Ken nailed it right off the bat. the second part of the clip is the streamliner. IMO, it's a hair more compressed than the SVT but pretty darn close tone-wise if you ask me. IME, if you run the bass control at about 10:30-11:00 and bump it a little at 600Hz in the mids it gets even closer.

 

[suraci]

What settings on my svt cl would get me close to that John K ?

Hi presence button Bass Mid Treble master in relation to volume?
Lo button

 

[LarryR]

I guessed same as Ken, but, really, it was pretty obvious in the mids and mid burp.
Million dollar question is how much of that mid burp can you dial-in to the STM? John, I presume you haven't spent time yet on tube rolling yet?

 

[can you hear me]

Hi guys

In reference to "on the gig settings" I've only been able to play once live through this setup, at a loud wedding playing various covers from rock to pop to dance/house w/ effects. Rig was the 900 through an AE212 with my LEJ 4 string.

People have had bad experiences with this amp/cab combo, and I knew this before buying. I didn't enjoy my first set, I had the bass knob around 9, with the mids at heaps of different boost (600 and 2.5k) and cut (220 and 600) settings. I enjoyed the tone more with treble down to 9 or 10.

I liked the second set more when I put the bass back up to 10/11. I also stopped playing with the mids, just left them at about 2 (set to 600) It was a rather large bottom end, not as defined as what I'm used to (a GK 1001 RBII through the same cab or epifani UL1 410, with contour boosted high and low mids).

However, I traded definition for "feel", that is, the GK would seem to poke its nose through a bit better, but without a huge pillow down low. The 900 seems to provide a much bigger cushion in between the drums and guitars/keys, without being as clear. The guys in the band liked this, and it made me want to play more longer notes as opposed to more quick fills and trick shots. Interesting side-effect.

Due to the "upward spread of masking" and other psychoacoustic factors I seriously doubt that any set up could provide the pillow and the definition for every player. Certain individuals could say their rigs achieved this, but I doubt most of us would get the same results with their rigs. Make of this what you will.

In short, the AE212 with this head is not a great match if you like defined, clear bass notes with an authoritative but not totally dominant low/low-mid range.It sounds great on its own, but in a band context I missed some of what I was doing. It is workable if you just want to provide a supporting voice to your ensemble and sounded great when I dug in for some of the rock tunes. A bit more grit with a harder attack added to the definition, and the compression was much more noticeable then anything I've heard from my GK, in that the attack with the GB seemed to have more bloom and the GK a much faster attack.

Next time I play in a band (rehearsal tonight then gig in a very different venue on Sunday) I may have more to say. I'll try to remember that I was happier once I stopped fiddling knobs, but it is kinda tempting to do this

 

[N. Kentucky Bass]

Hi guys

In reference to "on the gig settings" I've only been able to play once live through this setup, at a loud wedding playing various covers from rock to pop to dance/house w/ effects. Rig was the 900 through an AE212 with my LEJ 4 string.

People have had bad experiences with this amp/cab combo, and I knew this before buying. I didn't enjoy my first set, I had the bass knob around 9, with the mids at heaps of different boost (600 and 2.5k) and cut (220 and 600) settings. I enjoyed the tone more with treble down to 9 or 10.

I liked the second set more when I put the bass back up to 10/11. I also stopped playing with the mids, just left them at about 2 (set to 600) It was a rather large bottom end, not as defined as what I'm used to (a GK 1001 RBII through the same cab or epifani UL1 410, with contour boosted high and low mids).

However, I traded definition for "feel", that is, the GK would seem to poke its nose through a bit better, but without a huge pillow down low. The 900 seems to provide a much bigger cushion in between the drums and guitars/keys, without being as clear. The guys in the band liked this, and it made me want to play more longer notes as opposed to more quick fills and trick shots. Interesting side-effect.

Due to the "upward spread of masking" and other psychoacoustic factors I seriously doubt that any set up could provide the pillow and the definition for every player. Certain individuals could say their rigs achieved this, but I doubt most of us would get the same results with their rigs. Make of this what you will.

In short, the AE212 with this head is not a great match if you like defined, clear bass notes with an authoritative but not totally dominant low/low-mid range.It sounds great on its own, but in a band context I missed some of what I was doing. It is workable if you just want to provide a supporting voice to your ensemble and sounded great when I dug in for some of the rock tunes. A bit more grit with a harder attack added to the definition, and the compression was much more noticeable then anything I've heard from my GK, in that the attack with the GB seemed to have more bloom and the GK a much faster attack.

Next time I play in a band (rehearsal tonight then gig in a very different venue on Sunday) I may have more to say. I'll try to remember that I was happier once I stopped fiddling knobs, but it is kinda tempting to do this

Be careful about assuming that what you hear on stage next to the amp/cab is what they are hearing in the audience - particular for setting EQ. There's often a world of difference. Are your impressions based on stage sound or were you out in the audience via a wireless connection?

 

[silky smoove]

The big low end from this head sounds like it would be wonderful for pick players that aren't trying to sound like Chris Squire. The pick would likely add some definition, and the amp would likely keep it from being too cutting and unsupportive.

It might be just the ticket for my 80's hair metal/butt rock gig where I do play with a pick.

 

[can you hear me]

Good point, I only managed to get about 3 metres away. Bandmates liked it, and they were at a range of distances and angles but we were all pretty fixed, between right in front and 3 metres forward.

3 subs controlled the low end for FOH and I have no way of knowing what actually happened out front. Have more ears in the crowd on Sunday for an originals gig.

TBH it was better than I expected based on other's reports. Just different to what I'm used to and time will tell if it becomes my new standard after playing in more contexts. Otherwise there's plenty of other cool bits of gear to try.

 

[johnk_10]

I guessed same as Ken, but, really, it was pretty obvious in the mids and mid burp.
Million dollar question is how much of that mid burp can you dial-in to the STM? John, I presume you haven't spent time yet on tube rolling yet?

if you play around with it a little, you can actually get alot of the SVT's burp. i just cut the bass to about 2 o'clock and add a bit of either 200 or 600 depending on the cab i'm using.

i haven't had a chance to roll any tubes yet, but i should be able to have time to try a few this thursday. if you want to come by the house, we can roll 'em together.

 

[johnk_10]

Be careful about assuming that what you hear on stage next to the amp/cab is what they are hearing in the audience - particular for setting EQ. There's often a world of difference. Are your impressions based on stage sound or were you out in the audience via a wireless connection?

+1. i've found eq to be a pretty 'slippery slope' when doing it from the stage on the fly.

 

[Red Planet]

However, I traded definition for "feel", that is, the GK would seem to poke its nose through a bit better, but without a huge pillow down low. The 900 seems to provide a much bigger cushion in between the drums and guitars/keys, without being as clear. The guys in the band liked this, and it made me want to play more longer notes as opposed to more quick fills and trick shots. Interesting side-effect.

You hit the nail squarely on the head.

There is something to the organic feel and authority that the Streamliner delivers that is just not there on any other Micro I've heard. If you AB it with the usual suspects the all around tone and feel of the amp is alive/real, most others are lifeless and one dimensional.

 

[suraci]

For what it's worth
my formula for sound is something like this
me, the player is number 1
the band esp the drummer ( because of importance of groove ) is number 2 in importance
the audience is number 3 in importance

I think fidelity of sound is overrated
which would you prefer to hear
a band on fire
or a perfect sound with band not as comfy, as interlocked because of antispeptic sound?
I will always go with the best groove first

 

[nutdog]

I'll offer up my mediocre skills for you non-pros that may be considering the amp. In keeping with John's clip I played the same riff, or a reasonable facsimile thereof. AE210 recorded with zoom H4 about 8 inches from the lower 10.

Stock 2000 MIA fender jazz with nickel rounds, both p/u's full on, tone open, EQ on amp set flat:

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Same, but with amp set like this, which is close to where I've had it a gigs, albeit louder and with an extra cab. I may have been driving the gain harder at gigs because it seems to liven things up a bit:

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[suraci]

You hit the nail squarely on the head.

There is something to the organic feel and authority that the Streamliner delivers that is just not there on any other Micro I've heard. If you AB it with the usual suspects the all around tone and feel of the amp is alive/real, most others are lifeless and one dimensional.

So that includes all other Genz AND the TC 450 AND the Pro Svt 7????

 

[TC.65]

Hi guys



However, I traded definition for "feel", that is, the GK would seem to poke its nose through a bit better, but without a huge pillow down low. The 900 seems to provide a much bigger cushion in between the drums and guitars/keys, without being as clear. The guys in the band liked this, and it made me want to play more longer notes as opposed to more quick fills and trick shots. Interesting side-effect.

I know what you mean I went from a GK 700RB-II to the STL 600. The GK was much brighter and aggressive. It was a big Change, but a nice one.

 

[johnk_10]

So that includes all other Genz AND the TC 450 AND the Pro Svt 7????

FWIW i've tried other genz models and IMO, they are almost the opposite of the streamliner (they're not my cup of tea). i only tried a TC 450 once, but it felt a bit 'processed', as most TC products do-TO ME (YMMV), and i haven't tried the SVT7.