GenzBenz Streamliner Pt 8...

[KJung]

Wow, IME I found some opposites.
The UL210 has that nice tightness but quite a full bottom for a 210. I have only been using one UL210 btw.
I found the AE212 to be a bit scooped and wooly and some eq meddling didn't seem to sort it much.
I am not blaming the AE212 cab 100% as I moved it on (a little too quickly) even though i played quite a few gigs/jams/rehearsals with it.
Wish i had of kept it for a bit more mucking around with as they are impossible to get now here in Australia.
I know i made a sound mess of things early in the piece by backing the cab too close to a corner and those rear ports fired a low end mess back into the room....
So while i like a single UL210, 2 may get mushy?
I would like some more upper mid grind than i do get with the UL210.
I do like the lighter cabs too, well my buggered back does anyway.
Prob is that where I am, there are no more AE410s/210s/212s and I haven't seen any 2nd hand for sale either. Never see BE here so my choices are coming down to the MB stuff.
I haven't loved their 210s but not hated either.
This is why I posed my orig question of whether anyone had actually tried with the NY804 (or 2 of them)to date.

Cheers,
Mark.

While only trying a cab for a short time in a bad room is not a good way to evaluate it, and putting any cab in a corner can result in some issues, the rear porting would have VERY little impact on this. Port location really makes very little difference.

If you dig your UL210, then the thing to do is get a second one for more volume. However, as you say, there is a bit upper mid dip in the UL cabs, and especially in the UL210, so grind they don't.

Some of the Markbass cabs are OK, but avoid any models that have the piezo tweeters. Bad news (both tonally and reliability). The models with the compression tweeter are quite good.

 

[Tunaman]

Streamliner 900 + Sterling HH + GK NEO 115 = awesome

Just had to say... Using the pickup selectors & EQ on the Sterling I got tone for days... tons of low end, great top end sizzle using the bridge & the EQ. Left the bass & treble at noon... cut the mids @ 2.5k to 10. Reggae, Allman brothers, Green Day, BB King, MXPX, Better Than Ezra, Blink 182, CCR... it was all there

The Streamliner changes grindy sizzle mid present NEOs into old school heavy ceramic cabs... thing of beauty, period.

 

[NOLA Bass]

FYI - My 600 is for sale (see sig below) if anyone is looking to pick one up.

 

[Limeman]

After a difficult gig with my STL900 last night, I pulled the plug on a GB Uber 212 cab from a fellow TB'er this morning. It was a bit of an impulse, but I recall seeing several posts that folks are loving their 900 with this cab. Does anyone concur? Also - has anyone used the GB Uber 1288? I'm wondering if it might be in the same over-all tone family as say, the Thunderchild or the Fearful cabs?

 

[bherman]

After a difficult gig with my STL900 last night, I pulled the plug on a GB Uber 212 cab from a fellow TB'er this morning. It was a bit of an impulse, but I recall seeing several posts that folks are loving their 900 with this cab. Does anyone concur? Also - has anyone used the GB Uber 1288? I'm wondering if it might be in the same over-all tone family as say, the Thunderchild or the Fearful cabs?

I am using the Uber 212 with a 600, about to upgrade to a 900. Love the combination! Just take all the advice you see here and don't be afraid to crank the bass down. ALso find that I like the sound of the cab better slightly elevated off the stage (especially in a boomy room).

 

[Limeman]

Agree and yes... no worries about turning knobs to find the right tone. Ears before eyes, right? My hope is that the neo speakers in the Uber 212 will have more upfront mids than my GS series of cabs to help balance out the tone. As for the gig on Saturday, I wish I had brought my gamma pad. Clearly would have helped to decouple my rig and could have made a huge difference.

 

[thisSNsucks]

I've been lurking around this thread for a while and I have a question:

What small cabs will work well with these heads? I have 2 GS112's but I hear that's kind of a bad pairing. I also have a Bergantino NV610, but I'm more concerned about smaller gigs.

Any idea how the Streamliners would work with 2 Ampeg SVT210AV's? You'd have to be mindful of your volume but they might be a nice matchup.

 

[woolysock]

^^^
Bergantino HS210

 

[Holdsg]

+1 on woolysock's recommendation

 

[Limeman]

The GS112 works, at best, just "ok" with the Streamliner, but you'll have to be willing to reduce the bass quite a bit to make it acceptable. I have to run my bass knob on my STL900 at 9 o'clock or less to keep things manageable both onstage and, depending on the size of the venue, FOH as well. And for pity sake, don't ever combine a GS112 with a 15" cab. I did this last Saturday and it was a nightmare!!!

Bottom line: yes a GS cab can work, but there are much better cabs out there for this amp.

 

[gillento]

I've been lurking around this thread for a while and I have a question:

What small cabs will work well with these heads? ....

I have/had very good results with Aguilar db112 and SL112 with my STM 600.

 

[LarryR]

The GS112 works, at best, just "ok" with the Streamliner, but you'll have to be willing to reduce the bass quite a bit to make it acceptable. I have to run my bass knob on my STL900 at 9 o'clock or less to keep things manageable both onstage and, depending on the size of the venue, FOH as well.

I'd mentioned on another thread a jazz casual I did last week. Sax, gtr, bass, drums. By the 3rd song I got my Fender P > STM-900 > Bergantino EX112 to sound good. I cut 220k to 9 o'clock or more. Kept the bass and all else at noon. Cleaned up the rig (in that room) just right. Before I found this setting I was thinking of selling my Berg. Not anymore.

 

[Limeman]

+1. I also cut my mid (at 220hz) to about 9 o'clock and that, along with a similar cut on the bass is my ticket with the GS cabs. I have a GB Uber 212 cab on the way and am curious to see how it interacts with my 900. Hopefully more positively than with my Aguilar cabs.

 

[woolysock]

The tone controls on the STL operate differently than any other amp I've owned.

At present I find the sweet spot is:
Gain at noon
Volume at 3 O'clock
Gain button NOT on
Bass at 10 O'clock
Mids 2.5K at 1 O'clock
Treble at noon
Master volume as needed

This adds a little hair to the tone but it's still clear, clean and punchy.

Fender P -> STL 900 -> Berg HST210 sounds like this:
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[MOSCOWBASS]

The tone controls on the STL operate differently than any other amp I've owned.

At present I find the sweet spot is:
Gain at noon
Volume at 3 O'clock
Gain button NOT on
Bass at 10 O'clock
Mids 2.5K at 1 O'clock
Treble at noon
Master volume as needed

This adds a little hair to the tone but it's still clear, clean and punchy.

Fender P -> STL 900 -> Berg HST210 sounds like this:
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I've been using aprox these settings as well, but recently tried:
Gain noon
Volume 2 o'clock
Bass noon
Mid 9 o'clock @220Hz
Treble 1 o'clock

This gives a slightly deeper bottom end, but isn't boomy. It requires a little more master volume.

 

[steve_rolfeca]

Obviously, this stuff all depends on your bass, fingers and cabs, but I was using the 9 o'clock at 220 setting, and found it rather touchy. A tiny bit more and it sounded boomy again, a little less and all the punch went away. The thing is, the Q on the Streamliner tone controls is quite wide. It's part of the reason they sound so musical at extreme settings, but it also means that sometimes you can find yourself cutting the stuff you want, as well as the frequencies you don't like.

Since I got an external EQ to do the finer stuff (a narrower cut around 70Hz with my Thunderchild, or sometimes a broader one around 200-250), I've found I can run the bass and mid controls closer to noon, and it leaves the mid control free for other things.

Like a really nice, musical boost at 2.5K...

 

[Dave W]

What small cabs will work well with these heads?

Bag End works great!

I've been a die hard GS users for years, but I wasn't happy with the paring with this amp. I found a pair of S15D's for a great price and figured I'd give them a shot. They sound fantastic!

 

[sratas]

Obviously, this stuff all depends on your bass, fingers and cabs, but I was using the 9 o'clock at 220 setting, and found it rather touchy. A tiny bit more and it sounded boomy again, a little less and all the punch went away. The thing is, the Q on the Streamliner tone controls is quite wide. It's part of the reason they sound so musical at extreme settings, but it also means that sometimes you can find yourself cutting the stuff you want, as well as the frequencies you don't like.

Since I got an external EQ to do the finer stuff (a narrower cut around 70Hz with my Thunderchild, or sometimes a broader one around 200-250), I've found I can run the bass and mid controls closer to noon, and it leaves the mid control free for other things.

Like a really nice, musical boost at 2.5K...

Totally agree with Steve. The cut al 220 Hz is very useful for controlling boominess (maybe because other lower frequencies are tamed, think 120-180 Hz) but is also a critical and delicate equilibrium. Like Steve, I found that there is a sort of sweet spot, around 9 o' clock, where things are really nice, but a touch more or a touch less sounds respectively boomy again and without any beef...the overall interactivity of the gain structure (eq) of the STM makes somewhat less obvious to predict a certain result. Just experiment and use your ears. The right bass and the right cab obviously can make our work much more easy...when I coupled my 900 with 2 berg AE210 and a bass with punchy midrange, there was almost no need for corrective eq...

 

[KJung]

The right bass and the right cab obviously can make our work much more easy...when I coupled my 900 with 2 berg AE210 and a bass with punchy midrange, there was almost no need for corrective eq...

+1000 With my AE410, the EQ set virtually flat sounds fabulous (just a smidge of low end cut and a smidge of midrange boost at either 220 or 600, depending on the room) with my P Bass. One of the most beautiful 'mix and match yin yangs' I've experienced

With some of my other cabs and basses, not so much.

 

[adivin]

+1000 With my AE410, the EQ set virtually flat sounds fabulous (just a smidge of low end cut and a smidge of midrange boost at either 220 or 600, depending on the room) with my P Bass. One of the most beautiful 'mix and match yin yangs' I've experienced

With some of my other cabs and basses, not so much.

+1 on those settings. Especially with a passive PJ and Uber 410. I always prefer the gain switch in.