Obviously the bass rig doesn't have any effects, has only one channel, and no XLR inputs, BUT I don't need those as they are all provided by the rest of my rig. The rig sounds amazing.
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Obviously the bass rig doesn't have any effects, has only one channel, and no XLR inputs, BUT I don't need those as they are all provided by the rest of my rig. The rig sounds amazing.
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Well when the Bass Array design was first developed we played an acoustic guitar through the BA12-3 and knew this design would be ideal for many acoustic instruments. Thus the new Acoustic Array Pro was conceived at that time.
Now the AA-PRO starts shipping in a couple of weeks.
Just received my shipping notification for the
MG-800 head and a 210-3 cabinet.
Thanks Jeff for your personal assistance in getting all
the optional details worked out for me.
I have to say, Jeff is a great guy to deal with, nice personal touch (sales wise, you wise guys
)
and easy communication.
Lou
MG-800 head and a 210-3 cabinet.
Thanks Jeff for your personal assistance in getting all
the optional details worked out for me.
I have to say, Jeff is a great guy to deal with, nice personal touch (sales wise, you wise guys
)and easy communication.
Lou
Hey all,
So, I won a MG-350 at the Lords of the Low End event 2 weeks ago (I know, crazy lucky to win that!!). Got a chance to meet Jeff Genzler and he gave me a quick run down of the feature set of the head.
I hooked it up at home and REALLY liked the tones I was getting. I decided to try it at my gig last night - No FOH support so it was the MG-350 into a GK NEO 212-II at 8 ohms for a medium sized room. I brought my GK MB Fusion 800 just in case the MG-350 couldn't handle it...
Never swapped it out. 2 sets, 3+ hours of music from Classic Rock, Funk, Hip Hop, 80's pop, Miles, Bootsy, Stevie, synth tones (from my Future Impact and an OC-2+Xerograph Deluxe)....this l'il guy delivered amazing tones. Granted, I was definitely pushing it but it never sounded bad. Both my drummer and singer told me they loved the tone.
Today, I'm looking at a complete Genzler setup. Thank you Jeff G for getting me hooked on your sonic crack. Can't wait to get my hands on the MG-800.
So, I won a MG-350 at the Lords of the Low End event 2 weeks ago (I know, crazy lucky to win that!!). Got a chance to meet Jeff Genzler and he gave me a quick run down of the feature set of the head.
I hooked it up at home and REALLY liked the tones I was getting. I decided to try it at my gig last night - No FOH support so it was the MG-350 into a GK NEO 212-II at 8 ohms for a medium sized room. I brought my GK MB Fusion 800 just in case the MG-350 couldn't handle it...
Never swapped it out. 2 sets, 3+ hours of music from Classic Rock, Funk, Hip Hop, 80's pop, Miles, Bootsy, Stevie, synth tones (from my Future Impact and an OC-2+Xerograph Deluxe)....this l'il guy delivered amazing tones. Granted, I was definitely pushing it but it never sounded bad. Both my drummer and singer told me they loved the tone.
Today, I'm looking at a complete Genzler setup. Thank you Jeff G for getting me hooked on your sonic crack. Can't wait to get my hands on the MG-800.
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Congrats on your winning the combo and a good gig.
Sounds like you won more then the combo.
Enjoy the journey into the Genz....
Sounds like you won more then the combo.
Enjoy the journey into the Genz....
With other manufacturers raising their prices, it sure would be nice to have a couple of 115 options from Genzler right about now........(fingers crossed for a MG 115 under $800)
What tone are you wanting that a 12" cannot produce/reproduce?
I play in two bands. One is a 8 pc horn band that I would want 2 X 115 for 5 string, the other is a 4 pc classic rock that I'd like to use a single 115. I haven't tried the Magellan 112, but I'd feel a lot more confident with a Faital loaded 115 as a single cab solution in that situation.
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Single cab solution for sure.
I wonder how the eminence 3015LF would work with an array. The 3015 LF has HUGE volume displacement abilities. Something near 850 cc ... I think more than the Faital???
That could maybe be a Fearful 15/6 slayer!
I wonder how the eminence 3015LF would work with an array. The 3015 LF has HUGE volume displacement abilities. Something near 850 cc ... I think more than the Faital???
That could maybe be a Fearful 15/6 slayer!
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I obviously can’t speak for whether or not the MG112T would be enough for your situation or not. But with that said, I will also say that the 112 has *really* surprised me with just how much volume and low end that little box is capable of. I’ve used just that cab on several indoor gigs now, and it lacked nothing. (5 piece band-loud drums, 2 guitars through 212 rigs, 4 wedges across front of stage).
I’ve been one who has scoffed at the idea of just using one small cab like that, for years. Until I tried it.
But, I do think a 15-loaded cab from Jeff would really kick ass, too.
I agree completely with the 1 cab deal. These cabs can take anything you throw at them and produce a bass tone that just cuts through the mix effortless.
I am amazed at how loud, full and great sounding a single BA12-3 cab can be. A Pair would knock down walls.
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I had a gig in a medium sized auditorium and had both BA12-3's stacked. At soundcheck we decided to use only one as two were just too much for that space.
I use a 5 string with the BA 12-3 and it is not lacking in any way. Frequency response is solid and tight. Volume is great - it won't have any problem with a few horns. I jam with a loud drummer and a guitarist with a 4x10. No issue with volume. The neo 12's of today slay the 15's of a decade ago. I used to run a trace elliot with a 1x15 cab and this smaller BA12-3 sounds better hits all my lows, is tighter and way lighter.
I think the FAITAL is simply a better driver than the eminence as far as response goes. With greater displacement values - you likely need a bigger cabinet too...
Stops being light and easy to carry.
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I was thinking more of a pro audio type cab for what i usually do. I do bar gigs too all the time. But a Loud One Cab rig would help me.. 212s will just make it at times ...3 is closer to what i need 60% of the time. a sible 15 can be made lightweight with 1/2 ply when braced well. and nt too big. And still not be too large.. yet be able to do what a good 410 can deliver.
One Loud Full range cab in a roadcase that can handle anything would be great for me
One Loud Full range cab in a roadcase that can handle anything would be great for me
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When you say 212s - is that 2 BA12-3's, One MG212 or something else? I don't think 1-15 will be noticeably louder than 1-12 (by noticeably I mean 3 db or more...)
Are you using the amp to light the room up or just for stage volume? Maybe more cabs would be better...? (well more cabs are alway better but you know what I mean)
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I have never played the BA123s. My friend has one and LOVES it for many gigs. IT is loud for most people. For his louder gigs he has been using his Uber 115 when needed. I would use a Minimum of 2 but most likely 3 for road gigs that i do.. Any bar gig 2 are plenty, just like my MG212.. The MG212 is very loud and punchy. I prefer it over other Boutique brand 212s by a mile, ans its why i bought it . However on some of my gigs that I tour, I need to use another cab as shown below.
The Mg212 and Uber 115 are very close in overall volume IMO. They sound different but somehow compliment each other if you step away form them and hear a mix.
BUT I prefer all the same type cabs. I think LIKE CABS work better when combined than what im doing.
My Uber115 or MG212 can almost do my larger gigs on their own But just fall a but shy. The TOW give more headroom.
To get one Cab that can sound FRFW and have just a bit more SPL than either of my cabs on their own so i can have a ONE CAB rig. . That would be great.
When i am running 2.6Ω i use my MG800 of Fender TB1200.
I have been doing this so long , I sorta know what i need and what I like and what is needed to get it done. Ive said this 100 times over the years on this TB.. But From experience i have found when i do a bar gig, I play LOUDER on stage than when im playing an arena sized gig. Since I play to the room ..
The arena size and festival gigs always have great PA and I always have a great personal wedge with my own mix or IEMS.. So i can play LOWER on stage at those shows.
My crew guy would love a ONE cab .. And I would too. Its why I got the MG212.. But at times i need a bit more than 21ss and i want to use the same cab for large shows and small shows.
You are correct that 12s can beat out old style 15s.. Barefaced makes a cab that (according to them) has a 12" that has a vd of 550 cc's . That is more than my Genz Uber 115 @ about 505 cc's ... So i guess in theory that barefaced 112 can have higher SPL ( if in a property tuned box) than my already loud Uber 115.. So yes , you are correct about the new style 12's.
But like i mentioned earlier the spec on that eminence 3015LF has a vd of about 850 cc's.. That is more than Most 410s/ ( if in a properly tuned box) . in theory, that is about 1 and 1/2 of my UBER 115s cabs and more than my MG212 IRRC.. That would be in the area of a ONE cab rig.. at about 40 pounds.
The Faital is a great speaker But if you use an ARRAY type cab , the 15 would not have to extend all the way up to 4k on its own. . The ARRAY can handle all of that in a better way.
Just use a powerful MOTOR like the 3015LF to do the heavy lifting in the lows up to maybe 800 and the ARRAY would do the nice wide dispersion that they are becoming known for. ..
It would be great o have a ONCE CAB rig that can sonically SPL-wise get in the middle of what these two cabs do.
Need more than One but LESS than Both of them.
The Mg212 and Uber 115 are very close in overall volume IMO. They sound different but somehow compliment each other if you step away form them and hear a mix.
BUT I prefer all the same type cabs. I think LIKE CABS work better when combined than what im doing.
My Uber115 or MG212 can almost do my larger gigs on their own But just fall a but shy. The TOW give more headroom.
To get one Cab that can sound FRFW and have just a bit more SPL than either of my cabs on their own so i can have a ONE CAB rig. . That would be great.
When i am running 2.6Ω i use my MG800 of Fender TB1200.
I have been doing this so long , I sorta know what i need and what I like and what is needed to get it done. Ive said this 100 times over the years on this TB.. But From experience i have found when i do a bar gig, I play LOUDER on stage than when im playing an arena sized gig. Since I play to the room ..
The arena size and festival gigs always have great PA and I always have a great personal wedge with my own mix or IEMS.. So i can play LOWER on stage at those shows.
My crew guy would love a ONE cab .. And I would too. Its why I got the MG212.. But at times i need a bit more than 21ss and i want to use the same cab for large shows and small shows.
You are correct that 12s can beat out old style 15s.. Barefaced makes a cab that (according to them) has a 12" that has a vd of 550 cc's . That is more than my Genz Uber 115 @ about 505 cc's ... So i guess in theory that barefaced 112 can have higher SPL ( if in a property tuned box) than my already loud Uber 115.. So yes , you are correct about the new style 12's.
But like i mentioned earlier the spec on that eminence 3015LF has a vd of about 850 cc's.. That is more than Most 410s/ ( if in a properly tuned box) . in theory, that is about 1 and 1/2 of my UBER 115s cabs and more than my MG212 IRRC.. That would be in the area of a ONE cab rig.. at about 40 pounds.
The Faital is a great speaker But if you use an ARRAY type cab , the 15 would not have to extend all the way up to 4k on its own. . The ARRAY can handle all of that in a better way.
Just use a powerful MOTOR like the 3015LF to do the heavy lifting in the lows up to maybe 800 and the ARRAY would do the nice wide dispersion that they are becoming known for. ..
It would be great o have a ONCE CAB rig that can sonically SPL-wise get in the middle of what these two cabs do.
Need more than One but LESS than Both of them.
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nice rig BTW.
Sensitivity and lack of a 1.2khz hump point me to the faital. Faital is down at 35 hz whereas the eminence is at 44hz.
Eminence definitely has the win for the most air movement with a higher xmax.
Eminence recommends ~ 3 cubic feet for the cab displacement so not that big after all. They also recommend a steep hpf @ 40hz for this cab.
I tried to find a volume calculator for you online but they only take into account the speaker sensitivity not VD so it really would depend on speaker box design and how well it is matched to the speaker.
Very close in spec with the flatter response and ever so slightly better sensitivity going to faital higher excursion and VD going to the eminence.
Not sure that would see an appreciable increase in volume going to the 15.
Sensitivity and lack of a 1.2khz hump point me to the faital. Faital is down at 35 hz whereas the eminence is at 44hz.
Eminence definitely has the win for the most air movement with a higher xmax.
Eminence recommends ~ 3 cubic feet for the cab displacement so not that big after all. They also recommend a steep hpf @ 40hz for this cab.
I tried to find a volume calculator for you online but they only take into account the speaker sensitivity not VD so it really would depend on speaker box design and how well it is matched to the speaker.
Very close in spec with the flatter response and ever so slightly better sensitivity going to faital higher excursion and VD going to the eminence.
Not sure that would see an appreciable increase in volume going to the 15.
