Genzler Amplification Club

[kobass]

I run my Magellan into a CN212. I'm not currently gigging, but I can tell you that it's a great pairing. There's plenty of heft/weight to the notes and they are punchy and defined at the same time. I think you will be pleased.

Edit: Can't comment on the Puma-never tried one!

 

[jnewmark]

The Contour feature of the Magellan may give you a little more plug and play ability. Between that and the 3-band EQ on my bass, I don't find myself playing with the amp's EQ. Maybe a pinch of bass or a little treble cut depending on the band or the room, but that's about all.

Thanks for the comments, everyone, to my question. I guess what I was trying to get at was the similarities/differences between the shuttle Eq and the Magellan EQ. I'm not much in need of a " drive " channel, and I would rather much have an on board compressor than a Contour control, so those two items aren't much of a concern. On the Shuttle, for example, the Mid EQ control starts at 150 hz and goes up to 2K hz, whereas , on the Magellan, it starts at 150 hz and goes to 3k hz. Anyone care to discuss how they differ/ are the same, , going through the different frequency points ? My endgame here is trying to get a more powerful amp in to 8 ohms, with a similar, more than different, EQ as the Shuttle 6.2.

 

[kerrycares]

I have a BA 123 on the way in search of my ultimate upright cab.

I got my cab yesterday and couldn't be happier.
For electric bass it is very reminiscent of my Bergantino CN212 in clarity and tone.
I definitely am not missing the tweeter.
It handles my Sadowsky UV70 5 with no problem.

For upright, I think I've found my go to cab.
After trying every cab from Bose to Greenboy that I could get my hands on, this 12" and bass array seem to blend all of the nice tonal characteristics of small speakers and a 12" into one cab.
It is a handsome cab, well built and "feels" lighter than my Acoustic Image Ten2 cab.

I ran both basses through my Acoustic Image dual channel so next I'm going to try my Troll mic and David Gage Realist with my Luciano Golia bass and run my Sadowsy thru my Bugerra.


I tried to find a flaw in this cabinet and was unsuccessful.
In the past the Genz Benz single 12" seemed a little vacat sounding with nasally mids but the array seems to have a much smoother, pleasant response that you'd expect from small diaphragm speakers.

Well done Jeff!

 

[IanA]

Have spent some time going back and forth between the Puma and the Magellan this afternoon and the results are interesting.
The Puma sounds huge and does not disappoint, but... The Magellan seems to feel more alive, almost more 3 dimensional when playing anything from single notes to chords to riffs. It has a bigger sound but seems no deeper in its low end, it is a really difficult thing to describe but "it" is there!

 

[Discount Saint]

Have spent some time going back and forth between the Puma and the Magellan this afternoon and the results are interesting.
The Puma sounds huge and does not disappoint, but... The Magellan seems to feel more alive, almost more 3 dimensional when playing anything from single notes to chords to riffs. It has a bigger sound but seems no deeper in its low end, it is a really difficult thing to describe but "it" is there!

Might I interest you in a club number?

 

[IanA]

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Why not hey

 

[Discount Saint]

Alrighty! You're #27.

 

[Bassworship1]

Question for the ones out there that have tried the Genzler 800 and the Mesa D-800 heads. I currently have the Mesa D-800 and really like it but wanted to know how they compare and in your opinion which is better. I'm in the market for an additional head for use on gigs and am looking at this or the Aguilar TH500.

 

[tombowlus]

Question for the ones out there that have tried the Genzler 800 and the Mesa D-800 heads. I currently have the Mesa D-800 and really like it but wanted to know how they compare and in your opinion which is better. I'm in the market for an additional head for use on gigs and am looking at this or the Aguilar TH500.

Some definite similarities, though they each have their own personality. The D-800 is a tad more smooth and more warm sounding, and the MG-800 is more aggressively articulate and clear, and feels a bit more responsive in terms of dynamics (not that this is a problem with the Mesa, but it's a big-time strength of the Magellan).

 

[jazzenfunk]

So I have the Magellan 800. I would like to get a bass array cab but can only afford one. At 8 ohms, 400 watts into the single cab, how loud can it get before being pushed too hard? I don't play stupid loud but don't want to get lost in a live situation. I'm using the mg now through a Tecamp s212 4 ohm cab.

 

[BuffaloBob4343]

So I have the Magellan 800. I would like to get a bass array cab but can only afford one. At 8 ohms, 400 watts into the single cab, how loud can it get before being pushed too hard? I don't play stupid loud but don't want to get lost in a live situation. I'm using the mg now through a Tecamp s212 4 ohm cab.

I used a single bass array cab in an open mic with loud drummer, multiple loud guitars and multiple vocalists. I didn't get anywhere near the limit and it sounded great. People marveled at the little cab with the big phat tone.

 

[Djadja]

So I have the Magellan 800. I would like to get a bass array cab but can only afford one. At 8 ohms, 400 watts into the single cab, how loud can it get before being pushed too hard? I don't play stupid loud but don't want to get lost in a live situation. I'm using the mg now through a Tecamp s212 4 ohm cab.

like BuffaloBob4343, I use a single BA12-3, me with a lower volume church band, some singer songwriters, and a guitar based pop band (acoustic guitar, electric guitar, and a finesse drummer). With the pop band, I've done three or four bar gigs and one cab was enough in my settings. I think the advantages of adding a second are real but I haven't "needed" it at this point. How that translates to your settings... I don't know.

If you're keeping the Tecamp 212, you have multiple options - the BA12-3 alone, the Tecamp alone, or possibly the two cabs together (Jeff Genzler has recommended elsewhere that you turn the tweeter down all the way on the other cab).

 

[jazzenfunk]

I like the idea that I could use the 4 ohm Tecamp together with the 8 ohm BA cab!

 

[Jeff Genzler]

So I have the Magellan 800. I would like to get a bass array cab but can only afford one. At 8 ohms, 400 watts into the single cab, how loud can it get before being pushed too hard? I don't play stupid loud but don't want to get lost in a live situation. I'm using the mg now through a Tecamp s212 4 ohm cab.

As mentioned by others, I do think you'd be impressed as to just how much you can do with one Bass Array cab and how big it can sound on its own. Granted coming from using a 2x12" there will be differences, but the BA12-3 just does what it does in a different way.
As also mentioned, you can use a single BA12-3 with your S212 together with the MG-800---impedance switch set to 2.67 ohms. When doing this I do recommend that you turn off the cabinet tweeter so you don't interfere with the beauty of the high end fidelity you get from the BA. Certainly you can do what you prefer when it comes to keeping the tweeter on.
Thanks for playing the Magellan 800 and if you have any additional questions feel free to ask or PM me.

 

[RBASS930]

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What could that middle cabinet be?

 

[murphy]

15 perhaps?

 

[Muzz64]

I'd been after some serious modularity in my rig for a wee while, and the prospect of another, louder band to supplement the shortfall in function gigs this year meant I'd been looking at the Magellan and its 2.67 ohm potential for a while.

Sooo...a third Berg AE112 and a Magellan means I can take up to three cabs to gigs and really cover any eventuality.

I've gigged the rig in both 2 cab and 3 cab incarnations, and man, it works. I haven't needed PA support anywhere yet, though I'd take it if needed.

The Magellan is a fantastic amp, the chaps at Genzler have got it absolutely right on the money, and it has an awful lot going for it. The two channels mean I can have real flexibility of tone at a button push (or stomp, if I add a pedal) to switch between them, and the volumes can compensate for bass changes - for example if I wanted, I could run an active bass into the Clean channel, say one of my Shukers, and have a really modern tone, and run a P into the drive channel without having to adjust volumes when switching. It's been described as a combination of the Shuttle and Streamliner, but it's better than that - IME it takes the best of both and does away with the downsides of either (I found the Shuttles a little too clinical and possibly 'brittle', and the biiiig bloom of the Streamliner always need reigning in).

Those Contour options are very 'musical', for want of a better word - they are really interesting if used in combinations with the channels - one's a modern scoop, which you'd think would be best with the Clean channel, the other's a mid-bump and top-end rolloff which you'd think was Drive channel-tastic, but they also work really well with the opposite channels, too, so there's some really interesting things to play with. The Drive channel's drive (dur) is the first non-actual-valve tone which has made me forget there aren't valves in there - it's warm and organic and then some.

The EQ is also very real-world practical and useable - a single parametric mid is plenty for me, but I'm using it sparingly at the moment. A little goes a long way. Again, the word I'd use is 'musical' - it's the word that sums up the East preamps for me, too, and it was what struck me first.

The amp also works very well with playing dynamics (especially the Drive channel), and responds to your input better than anything I've used before. Very satisfying.

And now to the controversial bit - it's no secret where I stand on the 'heft' debate - I've played Class Ds that have had plenty of it, and Class A/Bs that haven't, and the Streamliner I had outlasted all sorts of other amps (11, by my count), but this amp brings a weight to notes that I haven't heard before. Whether it's the new power module, or the Genzler implementation of it, or both (I haven't played any other of the new Class D stuff) I don't know, but it's there. It's not just volume (and with the three cabs there's a play-any-gig amount of that), it's an authority. It's a very long time since I've played through a big all-valve head and an 810 fridge, so I might have rose-tinted specs on here, but if I'm remembering right, that's the impression.

It's immaculately made, reeks quality and is very quiet. On both the three-cab gigs I've played it hasn't even warmed up. Given the longevity with me of the Streamliner, this is gonna be a keeper.

Do I sound happy with it? Yep, I am.

 

[bebass]

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What could that middle cabinet be?

It could be a 112 tuned to 20 HZ. Or a cab with 27 of the mid-drivers to set atop one of his (could be) new 218s.

I'd been after some serious modularity in my rig for a wee while, and the prospect of another, louder band to supplement the shortfall in function gigs this year meant I'd been looking at the Magellan and its 2.67 ohm potential for a while.

Sooo...a third Berg AE112 and a Magellan means I can take up to three cabs to gigs and really cover any eventuality.

I've gigged the rig in both 2 cab and 3 cab incarnations, and man, it works. I haven't needed PA support anywhere yet, though I'd take it if needed.

The Magellan is a fantastic amp, the chaps at Genzler have got it absolutely right on the money, and it has an awful lot going for it. The two channels mean I can have real flexibility of tone at a button push (or stomp, if I add a pedal) to switch between them, and the volumes can compensate for bass changes - for example if I wanted, I could run an active bass into the Clean channel, say one of my Shukers, and have a really modern tone, and run a P into the drive channel without having to adjust volumes when switching. It's been described as a combination of the Shuttle and Streamliner, but it's better than that - IME it takes the best of both and does away with the downsides of either (I found the Shuttles a little too clinical and possibly 'brittle', and the biiiig bloom of the Streamliner always need reigning in).

Those Contour options are very 'musical', for want of a better word - they are really interesting if used in combinations with the channels - one's a modern scoop, which you'd think would be best with the Clean channel, the other's a mid-bump and top-end rolloff which you'd think was Drive channel-tastic, but they also work really well with the opposite channels, too, so there's some really interesting things to play with. The Drive channel's drive (dur) is the first non-actual-valve tone which has made me forget there aren't valves in there - it's warm and organic and then some.

The EQ is also very real-world practical and useable - a single parametric mid is plenty for me, but I'm using it sparingly at the moment. A little goes a long way. Again, the word I'd use is 'musical' - it's the word that sums up the East preamps for me, too, and it was what struck me first.

The amp also works very well with playing dynamics (especially the Drive channel), and responds to your input better than anything I've used before. Very satisfying.

And now to the controversial bit - it's no secret where I stand on the 'heft' debate - I've played Class Ds that have had plenty of it, and Class A/Bs that haven't, and the Streamliner I had outlasted all sorts of other amps (11, by my count), but this amp brings a weight to notes that I haven't heard before. Whether it's the new power module, or the Genzler implementation of it, or both (I haven't played any other of the new Class D stuff) I don't know, but it's there. It's not just volume (and with the three cabs there's a play-any-gig amount of that), it's an authority. It's a very long time since I've played through a big all-valve head and an 810 fridge, so I might have rose-tinted specs on here, but if I'm remembering right, that's the impression.

It's immaculately made, reeks quality and is very quiet. On both the three-cab gigs I've played it hasn't even warmed up. Given the longevity with me of the Streamliner, this is gonna be a keeper.

Do I sound happy with it? Yep, I am.

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The 3 12s stack looks killer. It just looks...more... than what one would think of adding a single 12 / The SUM is greater than the parts.

I have now played most of the new amps with the newer icepower module. I would say that this newer module definitely adds to this alleged "heft" equation. Also would say implementation is different on the amps with some having a more sophisticated and/or finely tuned EQ, which also makes a difference in this alleged "heft" equation.

 

[Discount Saint]

Just a reminder - if anyone posting here would like a number in the club, please let me know!

 

[ExaltBass]

I've been using 3 x 12s for the last month, or so, at church driven by my Magellan 800. 2 Baer ML-112s in a stack behind me, and a single 1 x 12 Gries prototype 112 on the other side of the stage. We do not have subs, and we seat approx 350 most Sundays. Our soundtech just smiles! He loves the setup, but I love it more