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MichaelOz said:
Thanks, Tom,

Unfortunately that doesn't help the early adaptors ... .

And "far more similar than different" to me indicates it's not identical. I'm sure it wouldn't make a difference in a live situation where it's more important to hear yourself properly (which the standard 12-3s take care of very nicely, thank you very much), just being a little "academic" here.

Regards,
Michael
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The tonal character (which you asked about) does not change much, which I think is a good thing. The horizontal dispersion remains as excellent as the non-slanted version, but the vertical dispersion is definitely improved, especially when you use more than one cab (even if the second cab is not slanted).
 
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SteveC said:
Also size. The cab is a little bigger than I want to haul in and out. I was spoiled to my 1x10 combo and extension cab.
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The BA12-3 is too large and heavy? Maybe it's because I changed over to my BA's from a Mesa Powerhouse stack, but that is smallest, lightest cab (pound for volume) of any I've ever carried. Seems hard to complain about, quite honestly.
 
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Discount Saint said:
The BA12-3 is too large and heavy? Maybe it's because I changed over to my BA's from a Mesa Powerhouse stack, but that is smallest, lightest cab (pound for volume) of any I've ever carried. Seems hard to complain about, quite honestly.
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I suppose it may sounds a little whiny but it is a little awkward to carry. It isn't heavy by comparison to others - especially for what comes out of it - but I was used to a smaller rig that was really easy to haul around. I got rid of it because I wanted to update my sound a bit. My old rig didn't sound bad, but it was a little dated and once or twice a year I felt I was pushing it past where it sounded good.

Jeff advised me (based on knowing what I had and what was available and the type of use it would get) that I would probably be happy with a BA350 Combo and extension BA10-2 cab. I decided that I'd get 1 cab instead of two and if I'm going with the 12 why not the 800 head. Better to have too much than not enough, right. Maybe so. I just am a fan of as minimal as possible when it comes to gear.

Like I said, ideally I would have a vertical 210 cab (2 BA10-2's stacked) with a MG350 head in a nice compact combo package. I suppose I could get a MG350 combo and a BA10-2 cab and find some way to screw them together...
 
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Discount Saint said:
The BA12-3 is too large and heavy? Maybe it's because I changed over to my BA's from a Mesa Powerhouse stack, but that is smallest, lightest cab (pound for volume) of any I've ever carried. Seems hard to complain about, quite honestly.
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The BA12-3 is an amazing cab... I love mine and don't see it going anywhere... but I can easily imagine situations where something a little smaller would fit the bill perfectly. I'm in a situation where even a little less footprint at home would be helpful and where I often do acoustic gigs where as small as can be is best. All of that points to the 10-2 as a worthwhile addition. Indeed, I have an acoustic guitar up for sale (a Lowden) and as soon as it sells, I'm 99% sure I'll be adding the 350 combo to my possession. A second BA12-3 really feeds my gas but at this point, it isn't something I need while the smaller footprint of the 350 combo would really open some helpful possibilities for me. FWIW, my BA12-3 spends almost all of it time at my rehearsal space. The 350 combo would give me something to practice with at home other than my headphones as well as the grab and go tiny solution for acoustic gigs.
 
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My issue after living with the BA12-3 for a while and taking it to a couple gigs is not so much how wide it is, it's the depth that makes it seem pretty big. Many cabs are 16" to 18" wide, but not as many are that deep as well. I think that's what makes it feel big, to me anyway. I'm sure that's how it gets that big sound, volume and depth.

Everyone loves the sound, and the fact that with one cab I can keep up with any group around here - without going thru the FOH probably - is amazing. Thing is, except for jazz gigs, I play DI/IEM?FOH gigs.

I am not blasting the cab or company at all, just the fact that I should have listened to Jeff when he said I'd probably be just fine and happy with an mg350 Combo.
 
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Can anyone comment on if the BA12-3 bag works OK for the MG112T? The BA12-3 is deeper by two inches but otherwise same dimensions. Alternatively can anyone recommend a place to get custom covers done?

Lastly, how has everyone's cabs held up to gigging w/o covers. My experience tells me that tolex is not robust as i had several ampeg cabs get ripped up quite easily in the 90's before switching to SWR/rat fur for a long time afterwards.
 
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3bc said:
Can anyone comment on if the BA12-3 bag works OK for the MG112T? The BA12-3 is deeper by two inches but otherwise same dimensions. Alternatively can anyone recommend a place to get custom covers done?

Lastly, how has everyone's cabs held up to gigging w/o covers. My experience tells me that tolex is not robust as i had several ampeg cabs get ripped up quite easily in the 90's before switching to SWR/rat fur for a long time afterwards.
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Le Cover has one for the Magellan 2x12 but not the 1x12. Contact them and they could make you one, they are authorized to use the Genzler logo.
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3bc said:
Can anyone comment on if the BA12-3 bag works OK for the MG112T? The BA12-3 is deeper by two inches but otherwise same dimensions. Alternatively can anyone recommend a place to get custom covers done?

Lastly, how has everyone's cabs held up to gigging w/o covers. My experience tells me that tolex is not robust as i had several ampeg cabs get ripped up quite easily in the 90's before switching to SWR/rat fur for a long time afterwards.
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Thanks for using our MG-112T cabinet. I don't think the BA12-3 cover would work very well for the MG cab as it is 2 deeper and the cover would just swim around. An ill fitting cover does not offer much production either. I'd recommend LaCover. Larry can make you a very nice cover to the dimensions you provide.
 
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3bc said:
Can anyone comment on if the BA12-3 bag works OK for the MG112T? The BA12-3 is deeper by two inches but otherwise same dimensions. Alternatively can anyone recommend a place to get custom covers done?

Lastly, how has everyone's cabs held up to gigging w/o covers. My experience tells me that tolex is not robust as i had several ampeg cabs get ripped up quite easily in the 90's before switching to SWR/rat fur for a long time afterwards.
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Tuki Covers has the correct dimensions for the 112T. I ordered one from them and it fit perfectly.
 
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Jeff Genzler said:
Thanks for using our MG-112T cabinet. I don't think the BA12-3 cover would work very well for the MG cab as it is 2 deeper and the cover would just swim around. An ill fitting cover does not offer much production either. I'd recommend LaCover. Larry can make you a very nice cover to the dimensions you provide.
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Thanks for the recommendation and the great products. I had a lot anxiety walking away from the sonic capabilities of an SWR 8x10 and their big rack mounted head w/tube pre but I feel great about my decision and so does my back and my wife's SUV.
 
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SteveC said:
...I suppose I could get a MG350 combo and a BA10-2 cab and find some way to screw them together...
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Funny, one day I was looking at a BA110 stack and thinking...don’t laugh...about a nice thick silicone bead holding the 2 cabs together. The thought quickly dispelled.
 
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SteveC said:
Or maybe a few metal brackets screwed in the sides...maybe Jeff has an idea?
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Not to be a smart ass, but how is having two 1x10's bolted together (that weren't meant to be) less cumbersome than traveling with the 1x12 - which at that point would be lighter and smaller.

I love my two 1x12's. With my MG800 in a gig back on my shoulder, and my Warwick in a gig bag with the cables enclosed, the total weight on my back/shoulders is less than 20 pounds. A 30lb cab in each hand and I can do a one trip load of loud, flexible, great sounding mini rig of doom all on my own. Feels great.
 
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Discount Saint said:
The BA12-3 is too large and heavy? Maybe it's because I changed over to my BA's from a Mesa Powerhouse stack, but that is smallest, lightest cab (pound for volume) of any I've ever carried. Seems hard to complain about, quite honestly.
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I guess we all have a different opinion of what is too big, too heavy and too much. This is my basic haul when I play, sometimes we don't need the subs for the P.A. (please excuse the non Genzler content).

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I hope to get a MG800 and a pair of BA112-3's for a small killer rig soon. Love the new Genzler gear.


Mark
 
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3bc said:
Not to be a smart ass, but how is having two 1x10's bolted together (that weren't meant to be) less cumbersome than traveling with the 1x12 - which at that point would be lighter and smaller.

I love my two 1x12's. With my MG800 in a gig back on my shoulder, and my Warwick in a gig bag with the cables enclosed, the total weight on my back/shoulders is less than 20 pounds. A 30lb cab in each hand and I can do a one trip load of loud, flexible, great sounding mini rig of doom all on my own. Feels great.
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I guess what I liked with my old rig was that the top cab angled back so it was pointed at my head...and the footprint was smaller.

With the new angled BA12-3 I suppose I’d have that part of the equation...
 

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