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The conventional wisdom and my bias in always playing 410s in the past is that I would either need a pair of 210 or three 112 to achieve adequate volume/headroom in a very loud band with no pa support in a small/med club. Presently a pair of the BA210-3 is cost prohibitive enough so three 112 would be out of the question.
 
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jw23mind said:
The conventional wisdom and my bias in always playing 410s in the past is that I would either need a pair of 210 or three 112 to achieve adequate volume/headroom in a very loud band with no pa support in a small/med club. Presently a pair of the BA210-3 is cost prohibitive enough so three 112 would be out of the question.
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The new BA-410-3 is $1560.
 
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jw23mind said:
The conventional wisdom and my bias in always playing 410s in the past is that I would either need a pair of 210 or three 112 to achieve adequate volume/headroom in a very loud band with no pa support in a small/med club. Presently a pair of the BA210-3 is cost prohibitive enough so three 112 would be out of the question.
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Personally I don’t care for the typical 410 because of the beaminess of the mids. The Genzler 410 addresses those concerns so if you like the idea of a 410, check it out and give it serious consideration. In addition it is a bit smaller than most and lighter weight so a much easier schlep. I “heard” it at NAMM and it was impressive.

Two 12-3’s would cost more than the 410 and it sounds as if you’re afraid they wouldn’t be loud enough but they would give you the ability to use one or two. Personally I don’t want to play in any band two would not be loud enough for :woot:. Try to check out a pair to see what you think before writing them off. I do not play in loud bands but I have not found myself in a situation where a single 12-3 was not loud enough for me, PA support or no.
 
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John D Harris said:
The new BA-410-3 is $1560.
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Yeah but I'm currently stuck on the idea of having two of something to be both modular and to be able to run both my class-D and tube power amps at the same time. The tube amp is my baby, originally a Mesa D180 but pretty much completely rebuilt/redesigned by me into a different amp, only the iron is the same. Since I love the sound but it is not loud/clean enough for me I want to supplement it with the class-D. Unconventional for sure.
 
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jw23mind said:
The conventional wisdom and my bias in always playing 410s in the past is that I would either need a pair of 210 or three 112 to achieve adequate volume/headroom in a very loud band with no pa support in a small/med club. Presently a pair of the BA210-3 is cost prohibitive enough so three 112 would be out of the question.
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Djadja said:
Personally I don’t care for the typical 410 because of the beaminess of the mids. The Genzler 410 addresses those concerns so if you like the idea of a 410, check it out and give it serious consideration. In addition it is a bit smaller than most and lighter weight so a much easier schlep. I “heard” it at NAMM and it was impressive.

Two 12-3’s would cost more than the 410 and it sounds as if you’re afraid they wouldn’t be loud enough but they would give you the ability to use one or two. Personally I don’t want to play in any band two would not be loud enough for :woot:. Try to check out a pair to see what you think before writing them off. I do not play in loud bands but I have not found myself in a situation where a single 12-3 was not loud enough for me, PA support or no.
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I have used two BA12-3s in a very loud band without PA support, large rooms. With PA support I still like two but sometimes can only use one. I have never actually measured SPL but this was with two loud guitar players with 412s and a keyboard player. And of course a drummer who used sledge hammer handles for sticks (not really). I have played through two BA210s but never in a loud band; in a small room they hurt my ears and had plenty of power in reserve. But yeah, a 410 should be a bit louder than the two 112s. But I don't think louder than 3. Maybe close. I got to play the BA410 at NAMM and walked off to the side - to address what revroy was saying about typical 410 behavior - and a smile came to my face when I still heard it clearly at a steep angle.

jw, sometimes we think we need more SPL due to this very fact of side dispersion - we walk off from in front of the cab and can't hear. The array concept addresses this, so maybe a part of your choice of SPL need can be addressed by the array concept of increased side dispersion.
 
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bebass said:
I have used two BA12-3s in a very loud band without PA support, large rooms. With PA support I still like two but sometimes can only use one. I have never actually measured SPL but this was with two loud guitar players with 412s and a keyboard player. And of course a drummer who used sledge hammer handles for sticks (not really). I have played through two BA210s but never in a loud band; in a small room they hurt my ears and had plenty of power in reserve. But yeah, a 410 should be a bit louder than the two 112s. But I don't think louder than 3. Maybe close. I got to play the BA410 at NAMM and walked off to the side - to address what revroy was saying about typical 410 behavior - and a smile came to my face when I still heard it clearly at a steep angle.

jw, sometimes we think we need more SPL due to this very fact of side dispersion - we walk off from in front of the cab and can't hear. The array concept addresses this, so maybe a part of your choice of SPL need can be addressed by the array concept of increased side dispersion.
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Excellent point, thank you for that!
 
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I like the thought of a 2 BA12-3 stack with a slant on top. Likely it would be loud enough for anything I need. Although, the 410 is the exact same width as my Shaw tube amp (23”). That has me seriously drawn to it.

For those who tried both at NAMM, how does the low end compare between the 12s and the 10s? I have heard a 12” triple stack, and even at low volumes it had a huge bottom.
 
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3rdcurve said:
I like the thought of a 2 BA12-3 stack with a slant on top. Likely it would be loud enough for anything I need. Although, the 410 is the exact same width as my Shaw tube amp (23”). That has me seriously drawn to it.

For those who tried both at NAMM, how does the low end compare between the 12s and the 10s? I have heard a 12” triple stack, and even at low volumes it had a huge bottom.
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It is difficult to beat a 12-3 triple stack but that sounds like a neat looking rig of your Shaw tube amp on a 410-3. It is difficult for me to say even though I have heard them both; we of course were not allowed to max up the volume at NAMM. Jeff did reach over and jack it up for a second or two and I would be surprised if the 312 setup beats it by much if at all. I think which cab to pick depends on what a person wants...if they want a one cab solution well there you go, 410-3. But the three BA12-3 stack is imposing in its looks and the sound is definitely more than two in a manner which is a bit surprising to me. Possibly a part of that is getting it up near the ear. The 410-3 mid/high array has an advantage as it is all continuous coupled and theoretically should bring more SPL efficiency due to this coupling, at least I would think so.

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Can you set an amp on top of that slant cab or is it angled?
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Yes you can (two slants)



svtb15 said:
What is LOUDER and has more Bottom Two BA12-3 or two 210-3 / 410-3
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The two 210-3 is really loud but I so much hear clear bottom end out of my BA12-3s that I have played through in a live situation. And before I got those I was a die hard 15" cab guy. I have not played the 210 in a live situation so it is difficult to say. Theoretically the two 210s should be a bit louder, I think.
 
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This little rig continues to impress. One 12-3 is great, two is crazy good. I can't imaging what three of these would sound like.

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So not sure if anyone responded, will the 350 push 2 cabs for moderate volume gigs with FOH?( I already have a 350 which is why I’m asking) otherwise I can experiment with using the xlr out into another amp I have in my rack for now.
 

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