Wow I bet that setup Kranks... I bet the neighbors can hear that down the street
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Genzler Amplification Club
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Not if you pay attention to thermal overload. From your description of "not needing two 12's", I would say this would work fine as long as you monitor speaker stress. I used to use 1800 watt amp into 450 watt drivers - for years never harmed the drivers. The MG350 would be another consideration but the MG800 has the dual channel aspect which I like. I ran the MG350 just yesterday into a 210 and it was what I consider to be "loud". Another consideration is just one BA12-3 with the MG800.
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@jzonbass --- Thank you for using our Magellan 800. @bebass knows his stuff, and just to follow up on what he mentioned ---- yes there are a few players that do use the MG-800 with the smaller BA10-2 cabs (2 are recommended) and don't have any issues.....BUT they are aware that they are using a more powerful amp with this smaller cabs. I'm confident that if you know your gear and play within reason this should be no issue.
This is very subjective for each player (don't want to start something I can't finish here) but I always prefer more power in my amp than the cab ratings. I think of this in terms of "torque" than "horsepower". In my mind torque is more "finesse" where horsepower is brute force.
This is very subjective for each player (don't want to start something I can't finish here) but I always prefer more power in my amp than the cab ratings. I think of this in terms of "torque" than "horsepower". In my mind torque is more "finesse" where horsepower is brute force.
I believe I read you say that the MG 800 when driving a 4 ohm load with the Impedance Selector switched to 2.67 cut the power to around 600 watts. (I know your Buddy on the west coasts 800 amp does this.)
Checking with you Mr. Genzler before bringing this as an option to help those that may be uncomfortable with the higher power as a way of lowering to a "safer" level, by switching the Impedance setting from 8/4 to 2.67ohms when driving lower powered 8 or 4ohm cab/cabs. Is this an option we can recommend?
Also about torque.
Welcome Jon!
As you see in my sig, I have the MG800, a single BA12-3, and the MG350 combo with a single BA10-2. Not knowing how loud you need to get or what your personal preferences might be... I found that a single BA12-3 was all I need with a low-moderate volume church band, backing up a number of singer songwriters, and two different guitar based pop bands playing mostly small-medium size bars and occasional larger venues often with PA support. I do not have a slant version so really found that getting the cab on a stand, pointed a bit up made a huge difference for me - if you decided on the 210-3 version, getting it on a stand would probably do the same for you. One would get the coupling effect of multiple BA12-3's but in term of volume, authority, and tone, one is enough for my needs. I GAS for a 2nd, but really do not need it and can't justify the expenditure at this time.
To the 350 combo with the 10-2... the reality is that rig would be enough for 90% or more of my needs and sounds amazing especially for the size. I do have to EQ the cab a bit more than the big brother to get it where I want, but it gets there without difficulty. There are a number of folk on the list gigging with 2 of the small cabs. The little guy also plays nicely with the 12-3. Jeff has mentioned an endorsee who uses that set-up.
My 800 & BA12-3 spends most of it time these days with the church band. It is overkill there (I rarely have the master past 9:30) but it sounds so good. And I've been doing about one singer/songwriter thing a month with it. Finally, I produce an acoustic music series and it occasionally ends up as the backline for bass players there. (They're always amazed at it.) I use the 350 combo for home practice, small gigs where I literally want to be able to one hand my rig, and as an acoustic guitar amp.
If I was starting from scratch today, I'd struggle with which head but likely would end up with the 800 for that additional "torque"... and I'd choose a single BA12-3 SLT. Then if I wanted/needed more after that, I'd wrestle with what to get.
I know @campbems has had both the BA12-3 and the 210-3 (and both amps the 10-3's- if this was pokemon, he'd have won!), and he will probably chime in soon to give you his opinion. I have just had the 12-3 (2 of them, going to add a SLT soon thanks to the enabling of others in this group 
), but unless you're playing reggae or thumping the B string/tuning down, don't look down on a single 12-3 - they are VERY capable cabs, and have a surprising amount of low end, and the array really makes the mids and highs sing...
), but unless you're playing reggae or thumping the B string/tuning down, don't look down on a single 12-3 - they are VERY capable cabs, and have a surprising amount of low end, and the array really makes the mids and highs sing...
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I guess I would add that, if a person is not familiar with thermal stress of watts/rated cab handling power, then the MG350 should provide a goodly amount of volume with two BA10-2 speakers. The word LOUD is relative. For instance the guitar player says the bass is too loud and the drummer says it isn't loud enough. I once had this @#$_& guitar player who kept saying I was too loud so during the song I totally turned the bass volume completely off and pretended to play. This guitar guy said that it was still too loud...haha.
Then when practicing the wife may say it is too loud just when you are about to turn up because you feel the notes aren't thick enough. Relative. Therefore these discussions of what is loud enough have to be translated to what any particular person describes as "loud". The truth is, I bet at least 80% of us 80% of the time, when we have FOH support, could easily use a MG350 combo on a stand as our main rigs and be loud enough for monitoring.
I've used exclusively the last 2 years both the Genzler 800 and 350 along with 3 of the 12-3, 2 of the 210-3's and 2 of the 10-2 arrays. Lately I've used my Genzler 350 and 2 of the 10-2 stack in forums that will hold 3-4000 people and roughly 60% max it easily handled it with a little house help playing with a full loud band. So much so that the sound engineers all came up to me to see what this little stack of thunder was and who made it. They had never heard of Genzler until I played there but they was thoroughly impressed as was I. I used my wireless to walk way out into the audience during sound check and it simply killed. I've played this Forum in particular int he past several times with Mesa, Ampeg, TC Electronics, and Markbass and never come close to the tone I had those 3 nights with this little stack. It is unbelievable what the Genzler gear put out.
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Would love to have a number as well! (The customary rig pic is a few pages back.
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My Back ordered 410-3 shipped today.. !!!! weeeo.. Looking forward to this
I'm looking forward to your thoughts
Hate to say it Amigo, but the Manual on the MG800 claims rated power is 800 watts 2.67 ohms as well as at a 4 ohm load. So at least you can get rated power into the 2.67 ohm load. See page 5.
https://www.genzleramplification.co...2017/11/MG800-OWNERS-MANUAL12-15-15-FINAL.pdf
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Yes , this is correct. If you use a 4 ohm load and set the Imp switch to 2.67 you will deliver less rated power to the cabs.
You are correct on what you say. Please reread my post as it is a neat trick, I was talking about driving a 4 or 8ohm cab/cabs with the 2.67 switch engaged to lower the full power. Not about full power driving a 2.67 load with the 2.67 switch.
Mr. Genzler said above that I am correct, so...
(Joking tongue out) 
Another option may might be to run speakers in series. If two cabs a series cable, if one cab with two or more speakers, rewire to series. Same effect.
have to admit, I've done this, by accident, a few times. kinda freaked me out when you're expecting a certain oomph and you don't get it, make sure and check the switch on back!.
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Cool thanks guys for all of the great onfo... great forum...thanks also Jeff for the clarification... I can't find anyone local to try out the 10-2.... would like to hear it. I've tried the 12-3 and the 210-3 liked them both. I personally like the punch of 10s. im sure what ever I get will sound awsome
