Genzler Amplification Club

[pbass6811]

!! That might be my reaction to the fanned frets and I'd still have straight fret & fretless basses hanging around that I can't get rid of.

Multi-Scale basses do look weird, until you start playing them, and then they’re completely normal. I’ve played Dingwalls before, absolutely LOVED them, had a health issue, had to get rid of them, healed up, now I have four Canadian Dingwalls on or order and I can’t wait! I still wanted to maintain a connection to mono-scale basses, so I bought F Basses. I have a fretless F Bass on order because 1. They’re fantastic, and 2. I didn’t want to hafta deal with multi-scale AND fretless at the same time, since I wanted to go unlined for my fretless.

If you’re thinking about trying a multi-scale Bass, especially a Dingwall, DO IT! You’ll probably be amazed at how easy it is to play, and how incredible the B-string sound through a Genzler rig!

 

[FunkySpoo]

There's a nice write-up of Jeff Genzler in the current issue of BassPlayer magazine...check it out. Top-notch innovator and supplier of fine musical instrument amplification!

Bob

Link: The Innovators

 

[BrentSimons]

Multi-Scale basses do look weird, until you start playing them, and then they’re completely normal. I’ve played Dingwalls before, absolutely LOVED them, had a health issue, had to get rid of them, healed up, now I have four Canadian Dingwalls on or order and I can’t wait! I still wanted to maintain a connection to mono-scale basses, so I bought F Basses. I have a fretless F Bass on order because 1. They’re fantastic, and 2. I didn’t want to hafta deal with multi-scale AND fretless at the same time, since I wanted to go unlined for my fretless.

If you’re thinking about trying a multi-scale Bass, especially a Dingwall, DO IT! You’ll probably be amazed at how easy it is to play, and how incredible the B-string sound through a Genzler rig!

You have 4 on order??? My gawd!
Can you buy me a Ric?
Best wishes I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of the completed Dingwalls!
Brent

 

[pbass6811]

You have 4 on order??? My gawd!
Can you buy me a Ric?
Best wishes I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of the completed Dingwalls!
Brent

Yeah, I went a bit overboard, lol! I ordered an ABZ4/3, two ABZ5/3’s, and an ABZ6/3. About two weeks after I placed the order, I realized I made a mistake. I’ve been playing 5’s for so long and I’ve gotten so used to having matching 5’s, that I ordered two without really thinking it through. More than likely, I’ll probably sell one of the 5/3’s when they show up. So, while I can’t buy you a Ric, I may be able to sell you a brand new, Canadian-built Dingwall ABZ5/3 late next year...lol!

 

[Nightman]

So, I have 35'', 34 1/2'' and 34'' scale basses. What scale are the Dingwall?
I need to see if I can find a Dingwall in a store here in the ATL area and try it first before buying or trading for one. I'll need to see how my brain and visual playing reacts to the the fanned frets. I don't own 4's nor 6's because of the hill to climb from the 5's that I play through my Genzler rig!!

(EDITED: Added Genzler to the last sentence to not derail the thread too much!!)

 

[flyingfinbar]

I was playing around today with the MG800 running through my trusty SWR 6x10 and my growing pedalboard rig. I set the eq to neutral and turned the contour all the way down. Instant clean, transparent tone. Then the fun began!

My intention was to see whether I could go from vintage to modern using pedals alone. Just goofing around with sounds.

The Mad Professor BBOD with a low drive level gave me all of the vintage, woofy warmth I could ask for. It was especially creamy with my 50’s Roadworn body/USACG roasted maple necked/GHS flats P bass. Motown all day. A thunk on the attack with a big, cushiony fundamental, giving way to a quick decay. Nice.

I then thrashed away on my new to me B7K. Crushing, clanking, grinding modern tones were flying out of the amp. My Lakland P5 was a machine of death with this pedal in front of it (as was my 4003 and Warwick ‘vette) Instant thrash/modern metal/punk rock tones.

Stacking overdrives/fuzzes just about brought the walls down in my practice room.

My point behind this long winded post is that the amp offers a truly transparent canvas for pedal users. Just by switching pedals, I was able to rely on the clean power from the MG800 to simply recreate the signal going into it with fidelity and abusive volume. This is, of course, in addition to the incredibly musical and useful eq, drive, and contour settings.

 

[BrentSimons]

Yeah, I went a bit overboard, lol! I ordered an ABZ4/3, two ABZ5/3’s, and an ABZ6/3. About two weeks after I placed the order, I realized I made a mistake. I’ve been playing 5’s for so long and I’ve gotten so used to having matching 5’s, that I ordered two without really thinking it through. More than likely, I’ll probably sell one of the 5/3’s when they show up. So, while I can’t buy you a Ric, I may be able to sell you a brand new, Canadian-built Dingwall ABZ5/3 late next year...lol!

Too cool! That certainly not the worst dilemma to be in? He makes some gorgeous instruments as I'm sure you know.
Good luck!
Brent

 

[pbass6811]

So, I have 35'', 34 1/2'' and 34'' scale basses. What scale are the Dingwall?
I need to see if I can find a Dingwall in a store here in the ATL area and try it first before buying or trading for one. I'll need to see how my brain and visual playing reacts to the the fanned frets. I don't own 4's nor 6's because of the hill to climb from the 5's that I play through my Genzler rig!!

(EDITED: Added Genzler to the last sentence to not derail the thread too much!!)

So, a multi-scale instrument is just that, each string has its own scale length, thereby evening tension and balance between strings. The B-string starts out at 37”, and each string goes down .75”, so it goes:
B-37”
E-36.25”
A-35.5”
D-34.75
G-34”
C-33.25”(if you play a 6er)

I hope you can find one. Atlanta has a few high end bass shops, but Dingwalls are a lot like unicorns, lol! @bebass can get you hooked up when you’re ready to run that B-string through that BA-410-3!

I’ve only got one show this weekend, so I can’t do it this weekend, but the next Friday/Saturday weekend I have, I’m gonna do a head-to-head with my MG-800/BA 410-3 one night vs. Mesa D800+/Barefaced Big Twin II the other night. That’s gonna be a fun weekend!

 

[Nightman]

So, a multi-scale instrument is just that, each string has its own scale length, thereby evening tension and balance between strings. The B-string starts out at 37”, and each string goes down .75”, so it goes:
B-37”
E-36.25”
A-35.5”
D-34.75
G-34”
C-33.25”(if you play a 6er)

I hope you can find one. Atlanta has a few high end bass shops, but Dingwalls are a lot like unicorns, lol! @bebass can get you hooked up when you’re ready to run that B-string through that BA-410-3!

I’ve only got one show this weekend, so I can’t do it this weekend, but the next Friday/Saturday weekend I have, I’m gonna do a head-to-head with my MG-800/BA 410-3 one night vs. Mesa D800+/Barefaced Big Twin II the other night. That’s gonna be a fun weekend!

Oh, okay!! That makes sense, now!!

Atlanta is having hard times keeping boutique bass shops in business. The Atlanta Bass Gallery is now an online only store, and the Boutique Guitar Exchange closed its doors. The other remaining stores, GC, Sam Ash & Ken Station, all pretty much sell the same product lines, with the exception of Atlanta Discount Music which does consignment.
Maybe there are stores that I don't know about that might carry Dingwall, but that might be like finding a needle in a hay stack.

 

[S-Bigbottom]

So, I have 35'', 34 1/2'' and 34'' scale basses. What scale are the Dingwall?

Do not let that 37" B string scare you as most of the length is done by pushing the bridge out to the edge of the body. My Dingwall Combustion pictured above using the Genzler MG 800 as a DI only (also added to not derail ) is a bit smaller than my Fender Jazz Bass on the body and with the smaller headstock its over all length is the same as My Fender Jazz 34", so it fits in my Fender SKB hard case perfectly.

Because of that pushed back bridge playing the first fret on the B string or C is about the same location as playing just behind the Nut of a standard 34" Fender Jazz, not a crazy 3 inch stretch. In less than five minutes you will be playing it like you have had it for years.

Come on over. Click>Dingwall Owners Club I put you back a few pages so you can catch up.

 

[Djadja]

I usually set to noon on both volume levels (MG800) and drive my bass (active usually) to about a little over halfway. So that's my volume that generally keeps up with a loud drummer and two loud guitar players.

I'd love to see a picture of a 10-2 on top of a 12-3 or two 12-3s. Does it look funky? I won't lie and say that aesthetics don't matter...they do.

Thanks for the comments so far!

A photo below of the 350 combo on top of the BA12-3 cab.

I spent about an hour playing them together and both cabs separately... my conclusion is slightly different than the one I had when I first got the BA110-2. I’m not sure which cab I prefer alone at this point (before I clearly preferred the 12) and I strongly prefer the sound of the two of them together to either alone. When I tried them before, I thought that the 12 dominated the mix. I think now it is more of a blend. I can’t compare this rig to two of either identical cab and I still can’t speak to how the little guy would respond to whatever your volume needs are, but I really like how they play together. Jeff earlier mentioned some pro endorsee who uses the two together and I totally get it now.

Perhaps the difference I;’m hearing has to do with some break-in on the smaller cab after playing it a good deal more than I had when I tried them together previously?

 

[Discount Saint]

Okay, well, I don't know why, but I seem to no longer be able to edit any of my posts, and it's kind of irritating.

Anyway, here is the updated roster:

#1 - Jeff Genzler
#2 - Discount Saint
#3 - revroy
#4 - MichaelOz
#5 - Hotblack
#6 - davel66
#7 - bebass
#8 - Ryan L.
#9 - bassnz
#10 - gclark51
#11 - paujones
#12 - Spfairchild
#13 - 1bassplayin
#14 - BluesyCat
#15 - Eddie LeBlanc
#16 - BuffaloBob4343
#17 - SWRnut
#18 - BruiserYL
#19 - jgolfer
#20 - danhilde
#21 - ExaltBass
#22 - kobass
#23 - pachoate
#24 - TheRealKong
#25 - ccbass71
#26 - Sav'nBass+
#27 - IanA
#28 - campbems
#29 - jazzenfunk
#30 - jlepre
#31 - jobbermania
#32 - pablomigraine
#33 - flewis
#34 - Tdub77
#35 - tombowlus
#36 - arrowsun
#37 - noahw1
#38 - tkonbass
#39 - svtb15
#40 - JLY
#41 - rodl2005
#42 - Double Agent
#43 - cv115505
#44 - Tonycarlson
#45 - guitarbrent
#46 - dwellers
#47 - motorhall
#48 - SadowskySteve
#49 - ergodynebass
#50 - Cube Bass
#51 - metallicafan18
#52 - ThePolarBeard
#53 - RColie
#54 - slinkyphil
#55 - bassjam
#56 - 3bc
#57 - Hunter34
#58 - LennyJ
#59 - lordradish
#60 - sigterm
#61 - Cazman
#62 - jwitzend
#63 - Wicked G
#64 - FunkySpoo
#65 - Loring
#66 - rok51
#67 - Cracker7
#68 - alexbrownebass
#69 - P-bass bluesman
#70 - Holdsg
#71 - PaddyMcBass

Let me know if I've missed anybody!

 

[Djadja]

BTW, I’m taking the little guy alone to a gig this evening at a largish club with excellent FOH support so it will be only for my on stage monitoring with a trio - acoustic guitar, bass, and harmonica. I’m really looking forward to being able to load in (club is on the second floor) and get on and off the stage quickly and easily.

 

[Holdsg]

Dear @Discount Saint

Okay, well, I don't know why, but I seem to no longer be able to edit any of my posts, and it's kind of irritating.

Anyway, here is the updated roster:

#1 - Jeff Genzler
#2 - Discount Saint
#3 - revroy
#4 - MichaelOz
#5 - Hotblack
#6 - davel66
#7 - bebass
#8 - Ryan L.
#9 - bassnz
#10 - gclark51
#11 - paujones
#12 - Spfairchild
#13 - 1bassplayin
#14 - BluesyCat
#15 - Eddie LeBlanc
#16 - BuffaloBob4343
#17 - SWRnut
#18 - BruiserYL
#19 - jgolfer
#20 - danhilde
#21 - ExaltBass
#22 - kobass
#23 - pachoate
#24 - TheRealKong
#25 - ccbass71
#26 - Sav'nBass+
#27 - IanA
#28 - campbems
#29 - jazzenfunk
#30 - jlepre
#31 - jobbermania
#32 - pablomigraine
#33 - flewis
#34 - Tdub77
#35 - tombowlus
#36 - arrowsun
#37 - noahw1
#38 - tkonbass
#39 - svtb15
#40 - JLY
#41 - rodl2005
#42 - Double Agent
#43 - cv115505
#44 - Tonycarlson
#45 - guitarbrent
#46 - dwellers
#47 - motorhall
#48 - SadowskySteve
#49 - ergodynebass
#50 - Cube Bass
#51 - metallicafan18
#52 - ThePolarBeard
#53 - RColie
#54 - slinkyphil
#55 - bassjam
#56 - 3bc
#57 - Hunter34
#58 - LennyJ
#59 - lordradish
#60 - sigterm
#61 - Cazman
#62 - jwitzend
#63 - Wicked G
#64 - FunkySpoo
#65 - Loring
#66 - rok51
#67 - Cracker7
#68 - alexbrownebass
#69 - P-bass bluesman

Let me know if I've missed anybody!

I'm really turning out to be quite a fanboy. I suppose I should get a number. #70 suits me fine.

 

[thmsjordan]

Bob - Thanks so much. I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I may just sell my GK MB500 and get myself a MG 350. I know what you mean about the Shuttle 3.0 being a tough act to beat. I love mine and would never sell it, not even for a better Genzler.

Time to look at resale on a lightly used GK MB500 so I know what to ask. It has always been way more than I needed.

 

[Discount Saint]

Dear @Discount Saint



I'm really turning out to be quite a fanboy. I suppose I should get a number. #70 suits me fine.

Alrighty, #70 for you!

 

[chuck3]

I don't post much on here but to the extent I do I'm well known as a Genz Benz fanboy. My Genz Benz gear (of which I have maybe one of everything?) has taken me through many, many gigs, always with great results. And sometimes I've emailed with Jeff - awesome guy. Anyway, I think I'm finally ready to make the move over to Genzler. For me, the MG 800 is a no brainer but the Bass Array cabs all look so good - can't decide where to start with them. The 210 or the 12? I'm a pretty big 10" fan and a doubler on upright where I hate having any boom from larger cones, so the 210, right? But that 12 with the array of 3s sounds so good too.

Decisions, decisions ...

 

[pbass6811]

I’m most definitely, a Jeff Genzler fan! I spent many happy nights standing in front of either a Shuttlemax 12.0/ Uber 410, or a Shuttle 3.0-10T for our stripped down shows. When I saw the new Genzler stuff, I was super happy, but I had moved on with the demise of Genz Benz. Then I saw the Bass Array cabs, and I became intrigued. I started lurking in this thread. You guys were making it hard to resist, but I was cool. Then Jeff dropped the 410 Array and my willpower was crushed.

Now I’m broke, but my tone is AMAZABALLS!

Thanks, @Jeff Genzler ...

@Discount Saint -I’ll take a number. Thanks!

 

[Djadja]

View attachment 3132233 I’m most definitely, a Jeff Genzler fan! I spent many happy nights standing in front of either a Shuttlemax 12.0/ Uber 410, or a Shuttle 3.0-10T for our stripped down shows. When I saw the new Genzler stuff, I was super happy, but I had moved on with the demise of Genz Benz. Then I saw the Bass Array cabs, and I became intrigued. I started lurking in this thread. You guys were making it hard to resist, but I was cool. Then Jeff dropped the 410 Array and my willpower was crushed.

Now I’m broke, but my tone is AMAZABALLS!

Thanks, @Jeff Genzler ...

@Discount Saint -I’ll take a number. Thanks!

You've got the rigs that often get included in the same sentence with your new Genzler gear and the Mesa/Barefaced... can you compare and contrast them for us? Few of us have had the opportunity to have that combination in the same room...

 

[pbass6811]

You've got the rigs that often get included in the same sentence with your new Genzler gear and the Mesa/Barefaced... can you compare and contrast them for us? Few of us have had the opportunity to have that combination in the same room...

Hey guys. Well, I've been asked this question a few times over the last couple of days, lol! I was thinking earlier that I should post some thoughts here. So, these are just some preliminary thoughts and feelings I shared with another TBer-

The best way that I can describe it, is that the Big Twin II seems to be a bit bigger sounding cab, meaning I think it’s slightly deeper and a bit more sizzly. That makes sense to me since it’s a bigger cab, it’s very ported, and I usually keep the horn rolled on for added bite. The 410-3 is more even sounding and better at dispersing the sound. I have been able to make very slight EQ changes to go deeper with the Genzler, so that’s not an issue, it takes EQ well. I think they have about the same output. The Barefaced cab is ridiculously loud for a 212, and the Genzler is ridiculously clean for a 410.

I love the wheels on the Barefaced, I don’t like the handles, but they work. I like the handles on the Genzler, but I hate where they are(need to be a bit higher for me) and I hate that it doesn’t come with wheels. Lol!

I’m gonna save the final judgement for a few gigs, since I’ve only used the 410-3 at one gig, which it sounded AH-MAZING, and I just got the MG-800, so I haven’t gigged that yet. At this moment, I prefer the BA410-3, but the BTII should be the definition of a “Supercab”-it’s an amazing piece of gear!

To add a couple of thoughts as I'm sitting here, waiting for a genius to fix my Macbook Pro, I feel that where the Mids sit is what makes the 410-3 such a beast! Routing them to the array rather than mixing them in with the LF drivers makes them more usable. Using this cab the other night, I was able to hear things I've been doing, but sometimes it just would get buried. I also really feel like its 4 Baer-type casters away from being the best 410 cab, EVA'. Yeah, I think it's that good.

I hope that made some sense, lol!