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Genzler Amplification Club

#5,881
A question for Mr. Genzler but anyone’s knowledgeable response is welcome.
Is there any data ( or long term experience) on the effect of vibration from the cab to amp on the electronics longevity?
Most of us stack our heads to top of the cab and I was wondering what (if any) steps are taken in manufacturing to minimize vibration effects on the amp circuitry.
Vibrations should eventually loosen solder joints, connections, etc. so might we all be better off placing our amp heads separated from the cab, whether next to it or on a dampening pad..... just thinking out loud.
 
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What is wrong with stacking one 12-3 in the normal configuration and another on its side, besides it looking goofy? Wouldn't that give good horizontal AND vertical coverage?
 
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unbridled said:
Our new drummer helped me load in last night and noticed and commented on my use of only one small cabinet. (12-3) he wondered if it would handle the little 200-seat club. I told him I was pretty sure it would. The club filled to above capacity, with the dance floor packed.

At the end of the night, I asked if he heard me alright and then showed him my master volume (mg800) was at noon.
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I own a 12-3, so I’m not at all surprised at what it can do, except why the drummer had to help you, but it’s cool! The BA12-3 paired with my 350 Combo is such a small footprint and tonal dispersement makes it hard to beat
 
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Cazman said:
A question for Mr. Genzler but anyone’s knowledgeable response is welcome.
Is there any data ( or long term experience) on the effect of vibration from the cab to amp on the electronics longevity?
Most of us stack our heads to top of the cab and I was wondering what (if any) steps are taken in manufacturing to minimize vibration effects on the amp circuitry.
Vibrations should eventually loosen solder joints, connections, etc. so might we all be better off placing our amp heads separated from the cab, whether next to it or on a dampening pad..... just thinking out loud.
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This is a good question and something you don't hear very often. AND it is something we feel we've addressed with a few different design elements within the Magellan 350 and 800 designs. I'll say going back many years, you can actually make an amp that is "too lite" which could create more vibrations as the amp sat on a high output cabinet. The issue of amps vibrating off the cabinet was an experience that many players had to address ---- thus the damping pads, etc. When developing our Magellan amps we addressed this with a solid alum chassis which helped to provide a little more "heft" to the amp's weight AND the all important soft rubber feet we use that work somewhat provide some shock-mount characteristics that dampen vibrations from the top of the speaker cabinet. Even though the MG-800 is lite (6 lbs) we feel it has enough weight and heft to hold it onto any cabinet and the rubber feet help in eliminating vibrations inside the chassis. Another point in how we address these concerns is internal in the chassis as it relates to wire harnesses. All harnesses are held in place with tie-down points so that no harness is "flopping around" where it could come loose in transit or vibration. As for components vibrating loose, I don't think it today's amp designs, you'd have that much of a concern. Certainly nothing we've seen in real world use.

Overall I would say with the Magellan designs you would have no concerns with vibration related issues. Certainly if you feel more comfortable with some sort of a vibration mat between the amp and cabinet, it is not going to hurt anything for that peace of mind, for you. Hope this is helpful.
 
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unbridled said:
What is wrong with stacking one 12-3 in the normal configuration and another on its side, besides it looking goofy? Wouldn't that give good horizontal AND vertical coverage?
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@unbridled, thanks for the question and it has been asked many times before. I've seen players to this and found it to be useful to them in their specific set ups BUT since we've launched the SLANT versions of our Bass Array designs, I feel we've addressed this. With this new variation of the BA cabs (SLANTED VERSION) we've given players a way to "elevate" the dispersion so to speak with what the BA cab is all about. I personally think that this new SLANT adaption of the BA design is almost as "ground-breaking" as the BA design itself. The experience that players report is that using the SLANT on top OR even a SLANT on the bottom and a STRAIGHT on top, the dispersion projects much more into the vertical plane while keep the wide horizontal dispersion. As others have commented, by having the SLANT option you are able to achieve some of the "arc" characteristics that you do see in concert array systems. Think of what a stack of 3 -- BA12-3 SLT cabs would look like and how it would project into the room. Even in the balcony of a venue it would be "all-about-the-bass, 'bout-the-bass......".
 
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Ah, right.... In my earlier knowledge-deficited response i overlooked one aspect of how PA's are flown... On top of the fanned rigging they are also slanted - each cabinet is also hung at a certain angle.

Sorry, when looking at the Genzler cabs I see small PA's (as Mr Genzler mentioned). I've been thinking that if I get a second stack I would fan them out.
 
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Jeff Genzler said:
This is a good question and something you don't hear very often. AND it is something we feel we've addressed with a few different design elements within the Magellan 350 and 800 designs. I'll say going back many years, you can actually make an amp that is "too lite" which could create more vibrations as the amp sat on a high output cabinet. The issue of amps vibrating off the cabinet was an experience that many players had to address ---- thus the damping pads, etc. When developing our Magellan amps we addressed this with a solid alum chassis which helped to provide a little more "heft" to the amp's weight AND the all important soft rubber feet we use that work somewhat provide some shock-mount characteristics that dampen vibrations from the top of the speaker cabinet. Even though the MG-800 is lite (6 lbs) we feel it has enough weight and heft to hold it onto any cabinet and the rubber feet help in eliminating vibrations inside the chassis. Another point in how we address these concerns is internal in the chassis as it relates to wire harnesses. All harnesses are held in place with tie-down points so that no harness is "flopping around" where it could come loose in transit or vibration. As for components vibrating loose, I don't think it today's amp designs, you'd have that much of a concern. Certainly nothing we've seen in real world use.

Overall I would say with the Magellan designs you would have no concerns with vibration related issues. Certainly if you feel more comfortable with some sort of a vibration mat between the amp and cabinet, it is not going to hurt anything for that peace of mind, for you. Hope this is helpful.
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Thank you, Jeff. I’ve never seemed to have any issues over the years with other manufacturers and with your experience in years of design/ build, I was confident precautions in design are incorporated. I hope to be using my MG800 for some time to come as it’s the most satisfying amp I’ve ever used (along with my 12-3’s.). Going forward, I may throw a dampening pad underneath though... even if just for my own “peace of mind”.
 
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Nightman said:
...why the drummer had to help you, but it’s cool! ...
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I have MS, a bad back from it being broke in 5 places, a bad neck from it being broken once, I have a medical device in my abdomen that sometimes makes it hurt to bend, I had two basses, my gear bag, my MG800 in its bag, and a mic stand I was hauling. I didn't necessarily NEED his help, and am capable of hauling my gear myself.

We just all help each other out. I helped him with his drums because we find it best to get them set up first.

It IS cool. I just don't know why you picked up that particular piece of info to comment on.
 
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Jeff Genzler said:
@unbridled, thanks for the question and it has been asked many times before. I've seen players to this and found it to be useful to them in their specific set ups BUT since we've launched the SLANT versions of our Bass Array designs, I feel we've addressed this. With this new variation of the BA cabs (SLANTED VERSION) we've given players a way to "elevate" the dispersion so to speak with what the BA cab is all about. I personally think that this new SLANT adaption of the BA design is almost as "ground-breaking" as the BA design itself. The experience that players report is that using the SLANT on top OR even a SLANT on the bottom and a STRAIGHT on top, the dispersion projects much more into the vertical plane while keep the wide horizontal dispersion. As others have commented, by having the SLANT option you are able to achieve some of the "arc" characteristics that you do see in concert array systems. Think of what a stack of 3 -- BA12-3 SLT cabs would look like and how it would project into the room. Even in the balcony of a venue it would be "all-about-the-bass, 'bout-the-bass......".
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Very good point, and I'll probably pick up a slant cab when the budget allows. I'm playing guitar on about 1/2 of my gigs now, so I'm spending money on that rig, too. (By the way, do you think a good multi-effects processor with cab simulation would sound good through the MG800/12-3 x2 combination? I know an acoustic sounds amazing.)

I just didn't know if the different orientations of the cabs would do anything "wrong." I'm just putting a 2x4 under the top can for now to angle it up.
 
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unbridled said:
I have MS, a bad back from it being broke in 5 places, a bad neck from it being broken once, I have a medical device in my abdomen that sometimes makes it hurt to bend, I had two basses, my gear bag, my MG800 in its bag, and a mic stand I was hauling. I didn't necessarily NEED his help, and am capable of hauling my gear myself.

We just all help each other out. I helped him with his drums because we find it best to get them set up first.

It IS cool. I just don't know why you picked up that particular piece of info to comment on.
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I don’t think any harm was meant, all in good fun. I’ve always tried to help drummers with their setups as they usually ;) have the most to haul...

That being said...
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We have a roadie. But, I setup my rig, check everything, tweak my pedalboard and then hit the green room for the deli platter!
My drummer and his roadie take an hour to setup so I get a good snack and a beer in before sound check! Same thing happens at the end of the show. But, food is gone so only beer is left! :thumbsup:
 
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I know I threatened to buy a (non-Genzler) combo, but after coming to my senses I've decided to pickup a BA 10-2. Not sure when and used v. new, but it makes sense to keep growing the system I really love.

Questions: I currently have two (non-slant) 12-3 cabs. For those of you who have used the 10-2 in conjunction with a 12-3, can the 10-2 keep up, volume-wise, with the 12, when stacked? Do you hear better with the slanted 10 versus two straight 12s stacked?

Any experiences with these combinations will be helpful, and of course, interesting. But you can all sleep easy knowing I am staying safely in the family. Whew...crisis averted.
 
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dwellers said:
I know I threatened to buy a (non-Genzler) combo, but after coming to my senses I've decided to pickup a BA 10-2. Not sure when and used v. new, but it makes sense to keep growing the system I really love.

Questions: I currently have two (non-slant) 12-3 cabs. For those of you who have used the 10-2 in conjunction with a 12-3, can the 10-2 keep up, volume-wise, with the 12, when stacked? Do you hear better with the slanted 10 versus two straight 12s stacked?

Any experiences with these combinations will be helpful, and of course, interesting. But you can all sleep easy knowing I am staying safely in the family. Whew...crisis averted.
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The 10 will be getting the same watts as the 12s and I think it's just as efficient. I tried this combination at the music store and liked it. Real world conditions may vary.
 
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