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Genzler Amplification Club

I’m waiting to hear some “real world” comments on the new talk MG12. I know that a stack of 10’s is awesome, but I’d still like a single cab solution. I’m guessing that as my BA10-2 basically covers my gigs, that a good 12 would take it over the edge. A little more full, a little more volume. We’ll see.
 
I got my new MG-12T-V yesterday and only have a few hours playtime on it so far. And no gigs scheduled for a while so my impressions are "home-based". Couple disclaimers: i'm using an MG350 amp with both cabs, same settings. 4-string passive P bass (G&L LB-100), fingerstyle, no slap/pop/zing pyrotechnics. And i am certainly no techie.

Physically the cab looks great and oozes quality. Interestingly it feels about the same as the BA110-2 to schlep around, ie easy. The couple pounds and inches are really not noticeable to me - that is a big deal for this Olde Farte.

Sound is fuller and deeper than the BA110-2 , i guess it would be called old-school in comparison to the 110 hi-fi-ish sound. However that sound is not boomy or muddy, it is warm but quite clear. Is that a little push in the mids (don't know, maybe Jeff will clarify)? The 112 tweeter is very smooth and adds a lovely sheen to the sound, not in the slightest harsh or trebly/clanky.

That all said, I think the BA110 is a great little cab for what it does. It is just different in terms of size, and performance, depending on what a player is after. I've been after a one-cab solution for the kind of playing i do. I'd been thinking about adding a second BA110 to my MG350 combo for the fuller sound and more versatility but when the new 112 was announced that seemed to be a perfect solution for what *I* (maybe not you) was looking for. And, initial impressions, granted not gigged yet, it is.

Here's a couple size comparison pics:

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I got my new MG-12T-V yesterday and only have a few hours playtime on it so far. And no gigs scheduled for a while so my impressions are "home-based". Couple disclaimers: i'm using an MG350 amp with both cabs, same settings. 4-string passive P bass (G&L LB-100), fingerstyle, no slap/pop/zing pyrotechnics. And i am certainly no techie.

Physically the cab looks great and oozes quality. Interestingly it feels about the same as the BA110-2 to schlep around, ie easy. The couple pounds and inches are really not noticeable to me - that is a big deal for this Olde Farte.

Sound is fuller and deeper than the BA110-2 , i guess it would be called old-school in comparison to the 110 hi-fi-ish sound. However that sound is not boomy or muddy, it is warm but quite clear. Is that a little push in the mids (don't know, maybe Jeff will clarify)? The 112 tweeter is very smooth and adds a lovely sheen to the sound, not in the slightest harsh or trebly/clanky.

That all said, I think the BA110 is a great little cab for what it does. It is just different in terms of size, and performance, depending on what a player is after. I've been after a one-cab solution for the kind of playing i do. I'd been thinking about adding a second BA110 to my MG350 combo for the fuller sound and more versatility but when the new 112 was announced that seemed to be a perfect solution for what *I* (maybe not you) was looking for. And, initial impressions, granted not gigged yet, it is.

Here's a couple size comparison pics:

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That is a very nice looing cab. Man my wife is going to kill me when I order one of those after buying 4 of the 10-2 arrays in the past year lol.
 
Perhaps one of each. Would cover lots situations.

@gl1234. How well do they stack?

They do, the 110 hangs over slightly but the feet sit just inside the 112 corner plates. Haven't had time to plug the stack in yet or remove the amp cradle and try 110 on the bottom.

I must say however that the stack does not look as pretty as either cab by itself ;)

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I know I threatened to buy a (non-Genzler) combo, but after coming to my senses I've decided to pickup a BA 10-2. Not sure when and used v. new, but it makes sense to keep growing the system I really love.

Questions: I currently have two (non-slant) 12-3 cabs. For those of you who have used the 10-2 in conjunction with a 12-3, can the 10-2 keep up, volume-wise, with the 12, when stacked? Do you hear better with the slanted 10 versus two straight 12s stacked?

Any experiences with these combinations will be helpful, and of course, interesting. But you can all sleep easy knowing I am staying safely in the family. Whew...crisis averted.

I use the BA10 and BA12 together regularly. When combined, I don’t hear two separate cabinets, I hear what is the sonic equivalent of a single three-way cabinet, even though I suppose, technically, it’s going more than three ways. I think the two cabinets complement each other well, with the 10 providing good punch and clarity while the 12 fills out the low end. I use each cabinet separately as well, but if I’m in a bigger room or playing outdoors, I stack the 10 on top of the 12, lining up the arrays down the middle. I have received lots of compliments about the sound, from audience members and fellow musicians alike.

I haven’t used two BA12s stacked, so I can’t compare, but a lot of folks here seem to like that combination.
 
I use the BA10 and BA12 together regularly. When combined, I don’t hear two separate cabinets, I hear what is the sonic equivalent of a single three-way cabinet, even though I suppose, technically, it’s going more than three ways. I think the two cabinets complement each other well, with the 10 providing good punch and clarity while the 12 fills out the low end. I use each cabinet separately as well, but if I’m in a bigger room or playing outdoors, I stack the 10 on top of the 12, lining up the arrays down the middle. I have received lots of compliments about the sound, from audience members and fellow musicians alike.

I haven’t used two BA12s stacked, so I can’t compare, but a lot of folks here seem to like that combination.

Ditto! They are an awesome pair.
 
Put the ba on the bottom- it will look better and probably sound better too
Here's a couple pics with BA110 on the bottom. It is slightly wider but the 112T-V is slightly deeper; as a result it does not sit square and stable on top of the 110. About 50% of the feet width hang off, if that makes sense. If i align cab fronts vertically the 112 rear feet are barely on top of the 110 and i think a slight bump would knock the 112 off. So doesn't seem to me the 112 on top is a good idea. Plus the stack still doesn't look pretty.

I discovered i don't have long enough speakons, and no 1/4 spkr cable - so i haven't plugged in both cabs. I have to say though that i really have no interest in doing this. While i'm sure it would sound ok my ears tell me that the two cabs are really quite different in function and sound and the optimal pairing, if desired, is two of the same.

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