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[Djadja]

Thank you so much revroy, your information is what I needed! Glad to hear both heads were similar in tone and output. The only time I would see myself getting the 800 is for the effects return. Otherwise I've been more than happy with my 350.

As for the cab, I'm leaning towards the STR 12-3, to get the roundness, depth, and fullness I sometimes look for.

Thanks a ton!

The 800 does have more output... but the 350 is no slouch and is more than enough for my uses.

I should add that I rarely use the 10 alone except for practice at home. For a single cab, the size/weight/performance ratio of the 10 is astounding, I do prefer the tone of the 12. The 10 gets an occasional use alone for small acoustic gigs or when the schlepability factor means more to me than the difference in tone - for ex. I play at one church a few times a year where I have to schlep my gear over a block from the parking lot and then up about 20 stairs. The 10 always goes there. Other than that, my go to with a single cab is the 12.

 

[FeltTipPen]

Hi FTP - fyi, another flavor of excellence - the MG12T-V cab. I guess it would be described as more "old school" sounding than the bass array 112. Warm yet very clear, and the tweeter provides a really pretty sheen to the sound, not shrill in any way - if you elect to use the tweeter. In addition to the wonderful sound (with my MG350 amp), the cab is light and very easy to carry. I also like the vertical orientation so i don't have to bend down quite so far to make adjustments. But as many have already said, you can't go wrong with any Genzler product.

Hmmm...that is another cab to consider! I've read posts of those who like them but hadn't thought about it. Thank you for that jibass!

 

[FeltTipPen]

The 800 does have more output... but the 350 is no slouch and is more than enough for my uses.

I should add that I rarely use the 10 alone except for practice at home. For a single cab, the size/weight/performance ratio of the 10 is astounding, I do prefer the tone of the 12. The 10 gets an occasional use alone for small acoustic gigs or when the schlepability factor means more to me than the difference in tone - for ex. I play at one church a few times a year where I have to schlep my gear over a block from the parking lot and then up about 20 stairs. The 10 always goes there. Other than that, my go to with a single cab is the 12.

Taking my 10-2 has been great in a packed vehicle and it sounds fantastic for my uses. But I think I would really like the tone of the 12 based on what you and others have written. It would just be different Genzler goodness.

 

[Djadja]

Hi FTP - fyi, another flavor of excellence - the MG12T-V cab. I guess it would be described as more "old school" sounding than the bass array 112. Warm yet very clear, and the tweeter provides a really pretty sheen to the sound, not shrill in any way - if you elect to use the tweeter. In addition to the wonderful sound (with my MG350 amp), the cab is light and very easy to carry. I also like the vertical orientation so i don't have to bend down quite so far to make adjustments. But as many have already said, you can't go wrong with any Genzler product.

Have you tried the 12T paired with a bass array cab? Especially the 10? @SteveC ? As I remember, Jeff has recommended that when a traditional cab is paired with a bass array, things work best with the tweeter dialed off. Does that imply that they don’t play quite as well as two different bass array cabs?

 

[LukiLaci]

Have you tried the 12T paired with a bass array cab? Especially the 10? @SteveC ? As I remember, Jeff has recommended that when a traditional cab is paired with a bass array, things work best with the tweeter dialed off. Does that imply that they don’t play quite as well as two different bass array cabs?

Its sound great. BA 12 more spread , 12 T more jazzy. MG 800 has warmer and rounder sound as 350.

 

[Discount Saint]

So, my current rig is the MG800 with a pair of BA12-3 SLTs. I play heavy alternative rock with a lot of dirt and fuzz effects, and thinking that having a bit more clarity and punch in the upper end of things might be nice. I've been contemplating getting a third bass array, but wondering how the 210 would pair up with my 12s.

Before I got into Genzler I had always used a 210 + 115 rig, and now that those options are actually available with Genzler I have contemplated trading up to something like that again, but if the 210 would pair up nicely with my 12's, maybe I can just add that instead.

 

[jibass]

I started with the MG350/BA110 combo and then was one of the first to grab the MG12T-V when Jeff released them. I preferred the slightly bigger fuller deeper (as expected) sound of the 112 vs. the 110. I also preferred the sound quality of the MG12. No criticism of the BA110, just my preference! For a one-size-fits-all cab that was about as easy to carry as the 110, the MG12T-V was an easy choice for me. I've since sold the BA110. If i ever needed bigger sound i'd get a second MG12T-V. I never tried the BA110/MG12T-V together as i prefer matched cabs if using more than one.

Have you tried the 12T paired with a bass array cab? Especially the 10? @SteveC ? As I remember, Jeff has recommended that when a traditional cab is paired with a bass array, things work best with the tweeter dialed off. Does that imply that they don’t play quite as well as two different bass array cabs?

 

[jibass]

What i would find very enticing would be a 4-ohm "MG210T-V"; i'd probably use the 210 rather than the 112 as my go-to standalone. If the 210 was designed to pair with the 112 that would be a potent combination.

But two caveats: truly i don't know that i'll be buying any more gear as my gigging future is very questionable, and from a marketing point of view seems to me (and as my wife frequently reminds me i could be wrong) that the bass array cabs are more popular than the traditional MG cabs.

 

[SteveC]

Have you tried the 12T paired with a bass array cab? Especially the 10? @SteveC ? As I remember, Jeff has recommended that when a traditional cab is paired with a bass array, things work best with the tweeter dialed off. Does that imply that they don’t play quite as well as two different bass array cabs?

I did try it. I had them side by side. It sounded ok but I think I preferred them each on their own. I’m not sure that one added much to the other.

 

[Rob Klaassen]

Now I'm all for buying gear, because buying gear is fun and having different gear for fooling around is fun. But why do you have at least one MG 800 and two MG 350s?

Simple ! The 800 sits with two 12-3’s in the rehearsal room of my Pop/soulband. Then I have one 350 combo that I use When I play in the living room and take to big band rehearsal. The other 350 and a second 10-2 are stationary in my home studio.

I bought the second 350 cause it was offered to me for a ridiculously low price (225€).

So that’s all very convenient!

And I stopped fooling around with different brands. I only use Genzler now.

 

[Basselink]

So, my current rig is the MG800 with a pair of BA12-3 SLTs. I play heavy alternative rock with a lot of dirt and fuzz effects, and thinking that having a bit more clarity and punch in the upper end of things might be nice. I've been contemplating getting a third bass array, but wondering how the 210 would pair up with my 12s.

I'm curious about this too. I've had my 2 BA12-3s/MG800 out on two outdoor gigs so far, they sound great to me during the pre-gig noodling/checking everything is working but then when the show starts I'm still trying to get the sound I'm looking for when in the mix. I fully expect it's me and I just need to get things dialed in but having come from using a 210 combo I'm wondering if that's just more what I'm expecting. I figured somebody had posted about the BA12-3(s) with a BA210 combination previously and was going to go through the search but since you started this thread if it's out there you'd probably know.

 

[Rob Klaassen]

Simple ! The 800 sits with two 12-3’s in the rehearsal room of my Pop/soulband. Then I have one 350 combo that I use When I play in the living room and take to big band rehearsal. The other 350 and a second 10-2 are stationary in my home studio.

I bought the second 350 cause it was offered to me for a ridiculously low price (225€).

So that’s all very convenient!

I'm curious about this too. I've had my 2 BA12-3s/MG800 out on two outdoor gigs so far, they sound great to me during the pre-gig noodling/checking everything is working but then when the show starts I'm still trying to get the sound I'm looking for when in the mix. I fully expect it's me and I just need to get things dialed in but having come from using a 210 combo I'm wondering if that's just more what I'm expecting. I figured somebody had posted about the BA12-3(s) with a BA210 combination previously and was going to go through the search but since you started this thread if it's out there you'd probably know.

I never tried the 12 + 10 bass array combination outside. But in my experience the 10-2 does add clarity/edge to the sound of the 12-3. Might be just what you need to cut through the mix.

that’s why I love having them both: big and bright sound

 

[Spupilup]

FTP, you're in the same predicament I found my self in at the beginning of the year. After playing through the Magellan 800 and BA12-3 my mind was blown BUT the question was, could the MG12T-V be better still? My problem was no one had the MG anywhere around me. So, like I said earlier, I went with the sound I had actually heard, the BA-12-3 and here I am, six months later still loving my choice.

 

[SteveC]

My 350/12TV has been all I need. Outside jazz quartet gig it kills. Inside it’s almost too much. I could probably use my BA10-2 and be fine.

I am envious of the sweet big rigs I see here, But reality/practicality says what I have is enough so...

 

[FeltTipPen]

To be honest, I love the idea of having the 15-3. I doubt I could justify it over the 12 for my needs, but that 15-3 demo sold me!

 

[FeltTipPen]

FTP, you're in the same predicament I found my self in at the beginning of the year. After playing through the Magellan 800 and BA12-3 my mind was blown BUT the question was, could the MG12T-V be better still? My problem was no one had the MG anywhere around me. So, like I said earlier, I went with the sound I had actually heard, the BA-12-3 and here I am, six months later still loving my choice.

Guess I could also say the same about my 10-2. I haven't heard the 12-3 but know I love 10-2 so adding another would not be a bad thing.

 

[SteveC]

Guess I could also say the same about my 10-2. I haven't heard the 12-3 but know I love 10-2 so adding another would not be a bad thing.

I was going to go with a Pair of BA10-2’s but Jeff talked me into trying a 12T-V. Glad I did. It keeps it to one trip/hand for me which I like.
I do like the sound of the BA15-3 though.

 

[FeltTipPen]

I was going to go with a Pair of BA10-2’s but Jeff talked me into trying a 12T-V. Glad I did. It keeps it to one trip/hand for me which I like.
I do like the sound of the BA15-3 though.

I'm spoiled by the compact form factor of the 350 combo.

 

[jibass]

The MG12T-V cab is about 3lbs heavier, 6" taller and very close to same width and depth, as BA112. For some odd reason and i think SteveC agreed, it feels easier to carry than the BA110, certainly no harder. I think it all comes down to sound you prefer, along with versatility and scalability for your playing requirements. But it's all good, how nice is that?!?

I'm spoiled by the compact form factor of the 350 combo.

 

[FeltTipPen]

The MG12T-V cab is about 3lbs heavier, 6" taller and very close to same width and depth, as BA112. For some odd reason and i think SteveC agreed, it feels easier to carry than the BA110, certainly no harder. I think it all comes down to sound you prefer, along with versatility and scalability for your playing requirements. But it's all good, how nice is that?!?

Definitely, Jeff has given us so many good choices. I really could be happy if all I had was my 350 combo (but GAS lol). From what I read here about the MG12T-V I probably would've bought it first if that's what I demoed first. But in the short amount of time owning the BA combo, it answered tonal goals and needs I had and didn't realize were there!