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#901
RColie said:
I'm looking for some specific input on the BA12-3 cabinet vs. the Magellan 112T. I've read through the thread and listened to the videos but I'm still not quite sure which one is best for me.

I have the Magellan 800 head (of course) and play active jazz basses with both flats and rounds. I dial in a modest amount of Contour B to tame the aggressive mids in other cabinets, but I'm not looking for a "vintage" sound. Smooth jazz is what I mainly play, with a bit of funk and fusion thrown in.

I'd like to know which cabinet has the smoothest mids and high end. I'm not interested in grit, gank, grind, honk, etc. I don't slap, so I don't want scooped either.

I'm looking for smooth, balanced, non-aggressive mids and highs. My suspicion is that the BA12-3 would be closer to what I'm looking for, but I've heard other cabs with mid drivers that were way too mid forward for my taste.

Any input would be appreciated!

By the way, that BA10-2 combo looks awesome...it's on my list!

Thanks,

Bob
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Hi Bob,

I had the opportunity to try a BA12-3 and a 212T for a couple of weeks before making a final purchasing decision. I did a "blog" on the Australian forum (OzBassForum) which you can read here (plenty of input from others as well):
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I know it's a 212 and not a 112 but I would think they're not too different tonally.

Ultimately I went with 2 BA12-3, from memory (don't want to read through the whole thread again) because:
1) amazing dispersion - 60 or more degrees off axis, and you can still hear everything very clearly;
2) amazing punch for a single 12 (and even better when you have two, and probably total overkill when you have three);
3) more versatile and flexible - the 212 sounded good but more like a "rock" cab. Never harsh or piercing (it's a great tweeter in there) I have to say but voiced in a more "baked-in" way. The BA12-3 seemed to be doing rock, and smooth, and slap, and fusion, no questions asked. And while it sounds a little smoother it still sizzles.

Mid-forward? It's perfect for me.

Of course that is also just my $0.02 (which is worth less than $0.03).

I'm now running 2 BA12-3 via a Magellan 800 and can't see me change that rig. 1 cab for rehearsal and small gigs (its (just) into my car. Larger gigs I take my wife's car - all good.

Regards,
Michael
 
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#904
Tonycarlson said:
For my two cents, the BA has the smoothest highs of any cabinet I've ever heard. It's incredible really. Now, everyone seems to say the the BA is mid forward, but to my ear it's not mud forward as much as just perfectly balanced. If anything the generous lows offset that perfectly. From your description it certainly sounds like the BA us what you're looking for.
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Totally agree. I do not find this cab mid forward, and especially not in the upper mids. The highs are wonderful. No tweeter to harsh that buzz! And I agree, the lows extend to a deep and well-balanced depth. No boom at all. Very well controlled.
 
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#905
BuffaloBob4343 said:
I don't mind! But I marvel at that rack case your transporting around! Wow!! That's dedication for sure.:thumbsup::bassist:
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Oh man, that Gator rack is a breeze compared to my old case which was a Mesa shockmount rack. It weighed 48lbs with nothing in it. It was absurd. Granted, it will probably last long after I'm dead, but that weight, eesh. Anyway, this Gator rack is so nice. Very light, feet on the bottom and left side, so you can carry it and set it down on end. Love it!

Now I won't lie and say I don't think about my 5.5lb Mesa D800 and how easy that would be, but then there's my wireless and tuner and... yeah...
 
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BuffaloBob4343 said:
Totally agree. I do not find this cab mid forward, and especially not in the upper mids. The highs are wonderful. No tweeter to harsh that buzz! And I agree, the lows extend to a deep and well-balanced depth. No boom at all. Very well controlled.
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Now this is what I want to hear! No harsh tweeter buzz, and not overly aggressive in the upper mids, which can also sound harsh to my ears.

Bob
 
#908
First I will say I don't have a Bass Array, I am waiting now to try a BA10-3. But I did demo one a few months back along with a Bergantino HDN 112 and the Epipany DIST112. But I can address the 'mid-forward' question.

At that time I owned a Schroeder 112 cab and to my ears the Schroeder, Bergantino, and Epiphany all had similar to what I would call a mid-forward tone. The Genzler was my favorite of the four, as the bottom end sounded fuller and the top end much smoother.

I was using my Mesa D800 with my Music Man Sterling five. I left without purchasing anything that day, but it was hard not to.

So for me when the BA110-3 hits, I will probably get one or the BA112-3.
 
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#909
Tonycarlson said:
For my two cents, the BA has the smoothest highs of any cabinet I've ever heard. It's incredible really. Now, everyone seems to say the the BA is mid forward, but to my ear it's not mud forward as much as just perfectly balanced. If anything the generous lows offset that perfectly. From your description it certainly sounds like the BA us what you're looking for.
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My ears agree with you. In general, I think a lower crossover point (than a woofer/horn) and paper cone mid/tweeters allow more of a complete smoother mid-high frequency response.
 
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#910
Had a big church that I was asked to play at tonight so I took just my Genzler 800 and Warrior 5'er bass with no cabinets. I used the DI to the house and honestly it killed it. I've been wanting to try it as a DI to see how it would do. I used their In ear system and it was just so good. Had several come up and say how good I sounded afterwards. this bass head has changed the game for me.
 
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#911
12-3 Gig report.
Last night was my first gig with the 12-3 Array I got from Chucks last week. The room: It's an Elks club with a pretty big room. A good sized dance floor which is about 20X30 and 24 round tables with 8 to 10 chairs per table and off to the left was a big bar, probably 25 the 30 feet. Place was totally packed with what we like to call meat baffles. :) The stage is about a foot high. Basically those modular boxes that are put in place for a podium to sit on. We are an 8 piece soul band so lots to cut through. My amp is a Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0, which I really love by the way.

Ok, now onto the actual review. First I'm really surprised and impressed with how much bottom this little box has. I probably should have used the stand I bought for it to decouple it from the stage but I assumed it wouldn't have enough bottom. WRONG. With a little tweaking of the Shuttle's EQ I got a really good full tone with present mids for clarity and a sweet top end with no harshness. All in all a really fantastic cab. It was really responsive to where I plucked the strings. My NV215 is also but not nearly as much. I'd normally have to adjust EQ along with hand position shifting. So that's good. So was it loud enough for that big a room with that many people in it? Not sure. You see my guitarist will not go through the PA for some reason so his stage volume IS REALLY LOUD. As a result I had to crank the Shuttle which started to clip (more on that in a minute) Good thing I go through the PA. So that's pretty much it. I really love the cab and am seriously thinking of selling the Berg to get another 12-3. Unless I can convince my guitarist to go through the PA. And what a pleasure it was to carry the cab one handed with my bass instead of the beastly NV215.

About the Shuttle, for the last few months it's been acting up a bit. With everything plugged in but not playing it will sometimes sound staticie. Kind like the static you get when your trying to find an AM radio station. That usually comes and goes super quick. Last week I turned it on and the usual click you hear when you turn it on was really loud and in a few minutes it blew the preamp tube. I replaced the tube and all seemed good. Then it happened again for a longer period of time. It continued even with both gains and volume turned all the way down. The only thing that stopped it was slapping the top of it. Very techie, I know. So last night at the gig my gains and volume were all at the 12o'clock position when suddenly I heard the static and I notice the clip light going to yellow and sometimes red and all that static was back. Obviously I need to send it in to get looked at but maybe someone here can give me some insight to what's going on with it.

Love the 12-3 though and sorry for the uber long post.
 
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#912
FunkySpoo said:
12-3 Gig report.
Last night was my first gig with the 12-3 Array I got from Chucks last week. The room: It's an Elks club with a pretty big room. A good sized dance floor which is about 20X30 and 24 round tables with 8 to 10 chairs per table and off to the left was a big bar, probably 25 the 30 feet. Place was totally packed with what we like to call meat baffles. :) The stage is about a foot high. Basically those modular boxes that are put in place for a podium to sit on. We are an 8 piece soul band so lots to cut through. My amp is a Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0, which I really love by the way.

Ok, now onto the actual review. First I'm really surprised and impressed with how much bottom this little box has. I probably should have used the stand I bought for it to decouple it from the stage but I assumed it wouldn't have enough bottom. WRONG. With a little tweaking of the Shuttle's EQ I got a really good full tone with present mids for clarity and a sweet top end with no harshness. All in all a really fantastic cab. It was really responsive to where I plucked the strings. My NV215 is also but not nearly as much. I'd normally have to adjust EQ along with hand position shifting. So that's good. So was it loud enough for that big a room with that many people in it? Not sure. You see my guitarist will not go through the PA for some reason so his stage volume IS REALLY LOUD. As a result I had to crank the Shuttle which started to clip (more on that in a minute) Good thing I go through the PA. So that's pretty much it. I really love the cab and am seriously thinking of selling the Berg to get another 12-3. Unless I can convince my guitarist to go through the PA. And what a pleasure it was to carry the cad one handed with my bass instead of the beastly NV215.

About the Shuttle, for the last few months it's been acting up a bit. With everything plugged in but not playing it will sometimes sound staticie. Kind like the static you get when your trying to find an AM radio station. That usually comes and goes super quick. Last week I turned it on and the usual click you hear when you turn it on was really loud and in a few minutes it blew the preamp tube. I replaced the tube and all seemed good. Then it happened again for a longer period of time. It continued even with both gains and volume turned all the way down. The only thing that stopped it was slapping the top of it. Very techie, I know. So last night at the gig my gains and volume were all at the 12o'clock position when suddenly I heard the static and I notice the clip light going to yellow and sometimes red and all that static was back. Obviously I need to send it in to get looked at but maybe someone here can give me some insight to what's going on with it.

Love the 12-3 though and sorry for the uber long post.
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You would be able to burry your guitarist with another 12-3. I purchased 3 of these and 2 is more than I'll ever need. They are amazing cabinets. I would highly recommend the Genzler 800 head. By far the best head I've ever played through.
 
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#913
FunkySpoo said:
12-3 Gig report.
Last night was my first gig with the 12-3 Array I got from Chucks last week. The room: It's an Elks club with a pretty big room. A good sized dance floor which is about 20X30 and 24 round tables with 8 to 10 chairs per table and off to the left was a big bar, probably 25 the 30 feet. Place was totally packed with what we like to call meat baffles. :) The stage is about a foot high. Basically those modular boxes that are put in place for a podium to sit on. We are an 8 piece soul band so lots to cut through. My amp is a Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0, which I really love by the way.

Ok, now onto the actual review. First I'm really surprised and impressed with how much bottom this little box has. I probably should have used the stand I bought for it to decouple it from the stage but I assumed it wouldn't have enough bottom. WRONG. With a little tweaking of the Shuttle's EQ I got a really good full tone with present mids for clarity and a sweet top end with no harshness. All in all a really fantastic cab. It was really responsive to where I plucked the strings. My NV215 is also but not nearly as much. I'd normally have to adjust EQ along with hand position shifting. So that's good. So was it loud enough for that big a room with that many people in it? Not sure. You see my guitarist will not go through the PA for some reason so his stage volume IS REALLY LOUD. As a result I had to crank the Shuttle which started to clip (more on that in a minute) Good thing I go through the PA. So that's pretty much it. I really love the cab and am seriously thinking of selling the Berg to get another 12-3. Unless I can convince my guitarist to go through the PA. And what a pleasure it was to carry the cad one handed with my bass instead of the beastly NV215.

About the Shuttle, for the last few months it's been acting up a bit. With everything plugged in but not playing it will sometimes sound staticie. Kind like the static you get when your trying to find an AM radio station. That usually comes and goes super quick. Last week I turned it on and the usual click you hear when you turn it on was really loud and in a few minutes it blew the preamp tube. I replaced the tube and all seemed good. Then it happened again for a longer period of time. It continued even with both gains and volume turned all the way down. The only thing that stopped it was slapping the top of it. Very techie, I know. So last night at the gig my gains and volume were all at the 12o'clock position when suddenly I heard the static and I notice the clip light going to yellow and sometimes red and all that static was back. Obviously I need to send it in to get looked at but maybe someone here can give me some insight to what's going on with it.

Love the 12-3 though and sorry for the uber long post.
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If you PM me, I can get this problem taken care of.
 
#916
I have about 10 gigs with my MG212t so far.. Some were low level gigs . Last night was a LOUD gig,,
It easily held its own.I like an even tone... BUT I like to have a full bottom , The 212 does that easily.. But it also has a well defined Mid that is NOT barky or peaky... . What is exceptional (in my opinion) is the way the dual 12's hand off over to the tweeter. I will sound cliche' saying it's seamless... the Cab takes EQ Fantastically! I'm super happy.. . I have had a few boutique dual 1x12 rigs in the past.. This is the next generation. Its light too. . Ive been moving my own gear on these dates so its been a breeze.. A pair would be a beast with a 2 Ω head. But i have NO use for that anymore.
I've been running my alleva P4 with rounds and a '71 P with rounds and my Alleva LG5.. This cab does the 5 String justice.
 
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Last night's gig rig. I agree with those that feel two of these cabs are all you'll ever need. I do have three, just Incase I have a large outdoor gig.
This rig was used with my ten piece funk soul band. Plenty of power on reserve.
I'm sure one cab would be enough, but you can dial in a richer, fatter sound with two.
I've been onboard with Jeff's creations for several years now. I'm not chasing tone (which my wallet appreciates) anymore.
 

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seansbrew said:
Last night's gig rig. I agree with those that feel two of these cabs are all you'll ever need. I do have three, just Incase I have a large outdoor gig.
This rig was used with my ten piece funk soul band. Plenty of power on reserve.
I'm sure one cab would be enough, but you can dial in a richer, fatter sound with two.
I've been onboard with Jeff's creations for several years now. I'm not chasing tone (which my wallet appreciates) anymore.
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Testify!!:bassist::thumbsup:;)
 
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seansbrew said:
Last night's gig rig. I agree with those that feel two of these cabs are all you'll ever need. I do have three, just Incase I have a large outdoor gig.
This rig was used with my ten piece funk soul band. Plenty of power on reserve.
I'm sure one cab would be enough, but you can dial in a richer, fatter sound with two.
I've been onboard with Jeff's creations for several years now. I'm not chasing tone (which my wallet appreciates) anymore.
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Same basic rig as me, except my Am Deluxe Dimension HH is a 5er :)
 
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