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Genzler Amplification Club

I had a chance to really put my Genzler 800 and arrays to use this weekend playing with 4 different bands over a 3 day stretch. First off the honey moon as they say is over time wise, but this setup continues to make my heart flutter lol. I never thought I would be the type to be completely gas free but bass amp wise I am. The best feeling was taking my single 12-3 Array and 800 and playing with a full band including a acoustic set of drums and easily having the volume, with plenty to spare to feel the room with impressive punch. It just simply exceeds anything I ever dreamed of coming from such a small lightweight package. I love it when people come up to me after every show asking to see my gear. That will never get old.
 
Last night's gig rig. I agree with those that feel two of these cabs are all you'll ever need. I do have three, just Incase I have a large outdoor gig.
This rig was used with my ten piece funk soul band. Plenty of power on reserve.
I'm sure one cab would be enough, but you can dial in a richer, fatter sound with two.
I've been onboard with Jeff's creations for several years now. I'm not chasing tone (which my wallet appreciates) anymore.
Is there a particular reason you're compressing the envelope filter signal? Just curious.
 
Photobucket finally stopped acting stupid so here's my second pic of my new 12-3
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General question for anyone who has used one BA12-3: Better on the floor or on a stand? More bass on the floor / less if up on a stand?

I'm planning on using one at a smallish bar / restaurant gig and I think one box will do the job.
 
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General question for anyone who has used one BA12-3: Better on the floor or on a stand? More bass on the floor / less if up on a stand?

I'm planning on using one at a smallish bar / restaurant gig and I think one box will do the job.

I've tried both and got great results both ways. I probably prefer the floor best with the design of this speaker because it projects the sound better than other speakers. The deep defined low end of this speaker is amazing and not muddy.
 
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I've tried both and got great results both ways. I probably prefer the floor best with the design of this speaker because it projects the sound better than other speakers. The deep defined low end of this speaker is amazing and not muddy.

Cool - I'll try both as well - and as we all know, different rooms = different results for either setup. I have one of those small square milk type crates from the Container Store, but have an idea - cut and insert 2" pieces of polyester foam into the crate. I think there will be a difference between this and an empty crate / amp stand.
 
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General question for anyone who has used one BA12-3: Better on the floor or on a stand? More bass on the floor / less if up on a stand?

I'll disagree with @campbems a little. I always use mine on a stand. Because I usually end up standing very close to the cab, and because of the characteristics of the line array, I feel as if I miss some of the mids/highs when it is on the floor. I also do not feel as if I lose anything by lifting it off the floor. Plus I just hear it better when it is up and pointed towards me a bit.

So, the answer to "better on the floor or on a stand?" is... yes.
 
I'll disagree with @campbems a little. I always use mine on a stand. Because I usually end up standing very close to the cab, and because of the characteristics of the line array, I feel as if I miss some of the mids/highs when it is on the floor. I also do not feel as if I lose anything by lifting it off the floor. Plus I just hear it better when it is up and pointed towards me a bit.

So, the answer to "better on the floor or on a stand?" is... yes.

That was my thought too - don't want to miss the mids / highs, so I'm going to use my foam-filled mini milk crate and elevate!
 
I'll disagree with @campbems a little. I always use mine on a stand. Because I usually end up standing very close to the cab, and because of the characteristics of the line array, I feel as if I miss some of the mids/highs when it is on the floor. I also do not feel as if I lose anything by lifting it off the floor. Plus I just hear it better when it is up and pointed towards me a bit.

So, the answer to "better on the floor or on a stand?" is... yes.

That may be why I prefer the ground is that I always stand out from my cabinet a little with my Wireless G30. I really couldn't tell much difference with the exception of a little more bottom on the floor. Mostly I'm playing 2 or even sometime 3 arrays so I've never had problems hearing the full dynamics lol.
 
General question for anyone who has used one BA12-3: Better on the floor or on a stand? More bass on the floor / less if up on a stand?

I'm planning on using one at a smallish bar / restaurant gig and I think one box will do the job.

I guess it depends on the floor. As I said in my post, it was a very boomy stage so in this case I should have put it on the stand. If it was a concrete floor or outside on the ground I'd put it on the stand
 
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I had a great time playing through all of the amps/cabs at the Genzler booth at NAMM. The new BA10-2 has it's own vibe, with more upper midrange presence, but very respectable lows. The BA210-3 has a very "open" tone to it, with a slight scoop in the mids, relative to the BA12-3. I could happily gig with either of them, but my personal favorite remains the BA12-3.

Here is a short video we shot with Jeff regarding the MG-350 and BA10-2.
 
Ok - I drove up to Bananas At Large in San Rafael yesterday and spent about 90 minutes putting the Magellan 800 through it's paces. I played it with both my mid-80's E series P/J with D'Addario steels and my Pawn Shop Mustang with really dead D'Addario chomes. I ran it through the 12-3 array, then the Magellan 112, then a David Eden D210MBX - the Eden is most similar to what I'm currently playing through. At the moment I'm shopping for an amp only, so I wanted to get some perspective and see how the 800 responded to different cabs.

Overall, I really LOVE this amp. I think I like the versatility it has - especially with the EQ. The mid range sweep is HUGE. The downside of that is that it takes finesse to get just the right frequency, but conversely it can get you exactly what you want if you're a bit patient. The amount of power gives it a ton of headroom, which is such a huge advantage over the GK 800RB I played with for years. I like that the highs aren't brittle, and the bottom can bring out the sub-frequencies. The drive is a bit meatier than I expected - I thought it would have more bite to it, but I think the meatiness is probably a bit more useable. It just adds some "hair" to the note, rather than being over the top. And I figured out that I can use the mid-range control to bring out the clanky-ness and grit of the drive should I so choose.

The contours are both awesome as well - so nice to have the choice of both the standard mid-scoop AND the vintage low mid bump. I found that when I dialed in Contour B with just the bridge pickup, I could get more of a Bernard Edwards-y tone, which was great. I typically don't play just the bridge pickup as I find it too thin, but this punched up the low mids in just the right way to make it burpy and barky. I could also throw in Contour B and add more low mids with the EQ. Add some drive and man - the burp out of the amp was awesome.

So yeah - I'm 100% sold on the amp and will be ordering one as soon as the tax returns come back. As far as the cabs go - the Bass Array sounded... well, boxy is the only word I could use to describe it. Partly this was because I had it at the floor pointing at my feet (deliberately to both couple to the floor for more bass and as this is most likely how I'd have it live) but I also think it was because I had only one. I sat on the floor in front of it for awhile as well as sat on a short stool to get some different perspectives. I also recorded it with my Zoom H4n recorder and listening back, throaty is the best word. This isn't to say that the boxy/throaty-ness bothered me - in fact I got used to it once I played for a few minutes, but that was the impression that stuck with me. What it did bring out was that low mid burp, which was a blast to play around with - not what I typically go for but I could get used to this!

The Magellan cab was stacked on top of the array (easiest way for the dude at the store to set it up) and it overall sounded more "traditional" than the array. The sound was definitely less bassy (again, most likely due to it being stacked and not on the floor) but it had more of an openness than the array. Where the array sounded throaty, the Magellan cab sounded more bright and clear. What really blew me away, though, was the Eden cab. This thing sounded MASSIVE. It was a bit more of a traditionally mid-scooped sound, and truthfully it didn't do the bridge pickup burp thing at all well, but wide open with either the P or both pickups on it was just gigantic. Part of this I'm sure is that it's just a physically larger cab (two 10's as opposed to a single 12 in the other cabs) but it was a noticeable difference. I'm not sure this is the one I would choose, as the Eden sound was a bit more of what I usually go for and I'm kinda looking for something new. But what was revealing was the the Magellan 800 amp was SO clear and clean that it really showed off the difference in the speaker cabs and THAT is what I want. I can always shop cabs later, but for now I'm completely sold on this amp. I could gush a bunch more, but I'll save that for when I really get mess with it on the gig.

Thanks again Jeff - this thing is great. I'll place my order in the next few weeks once I get my returns. Then there'll be a NAD for me!
 
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I had a great time playing through all of the amps/cabs at the Genzler booth at NAMM. The new BA10-2 has it's own vibe, with more upper midrange presence, but very respectable lows. The BA210-3 has a very "open" tone to it, with a slight scoop in the mids, relative to the BA12-3. I could happily gig with either of them, but my personal favorite remains the BA12-3.

Here is a short video we shot with Jeff regarding the MG-350 and BA10-2.

You probably have tested & own more cabs than most of us, so question: what are your main "go to" cabs currently?
 
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You probably have tested & own more cabs than most of us, so question: what are your main "go to" cabs currently?

To be honest, as we try and gig out with everything that we review, most of the time, I am playing through specific gear in the review cycle. That being said, I do have occasions when I don't "have" to gig with any particular review gear, and I have a handful of rigs that get heavier than average rotation. And yes, the MG-800 driving three BA12-3's is one such rig. :thumbsup:
 
To be honest, as we try and gig out with everything that we review, most of the time, I am playing through specific gear in the review cycle. That being said, I do have occasions when I don't "have" to gig with any particular review gear, and I have a handful of rigs that get heavier than average rotation. And yes, the MG-800 driving three BA12-3's is one such rig. :thumbsup:

How hard have you pushed them (3 ba12-3's)? How soon does the MG-800 start to fart out, if at all? Just curious because essentially you're under powering the cabs running an 2.67 ohm load at 800w into 1050w worth of speaker.