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#9,361
bebass said:
Remember cab watts are thermal rating and there is no one to one comparison with an amp’s output power. I doubt if you would ever wish to run the MG800 full blast wide open through the cabs - the SPL would likely be damaging to the ear, the environment, and small dogs. In any loud environment, with any amp, with any cabs - always listen for speaker distress.
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No kidding, my 800 half way is beating up my supposedly 1000watt rms 212 cab...
 
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Basselink said:
Thanks - so I wouldn't need to be concerned about damaging the 112 since it seems I'd be running 400 watts into it if I use the 112 and 210 together with the MG800?
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No problem at all!! In my video it was pretty loud and I don’t think my master was near 10:00!
 
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biggredd said:
@Jeff Genzler Could you PLEASE come out with a NU 610T that will spank the BERG? TAKE MY CASH NOW!!! It would be great to have a Genzler 610 cab to replace a GENZ UBER 410+210. Tilt back, wheels.
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The BA410-3/BA210-3 SLT is a killer 610 rig! Way easier to shlep into gigs than the Ubers too!!!
 
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Basselink said:
Excuse the ignorance - I'm leaning toward the NC210 + NC112 stack but is there any concern about running both cabs with the MG800 given the 112 is rated for 300 watts? Is it a "you'll have to watch your volume" situation or am I overthinking?
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@Basselink --- this is my favorite combination in this series. I really like the depth the NC-112T adds under the thump of the dual 10"s in the NC-210T. All of the NC cabs were designed to work well with our existing amps. I've pushed all models with the MG-800 and my Sadowsky 5 String NYC which has a preamp which should be rated in horsepower. Damn Roger S, that think is powerful!! The MG-800 on any of these cabs is not an issue.
 
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Did any of you get the chance to try the Genz-Benz Focus series cabs? These also used ceramic drivers, in lighter weight designs. We were super impressed and gave them a Bass Gear Magazine Best of Show Award at NAMM. It is my understanding that these cabs build off of the Focus line, which I view as a very good thing.
 
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Yes, the Nu CLASSIC series does have some initial foundation in what we've done with a couple of past cabinet lines, but with updated speaker design, crossover and the vertical cabinet formats, along with even lighter weight cab construction and more precise bracing. We feel that for today's player it is a benefit to have options for enjoying the vibe of ferrite/ceramic drivers without giving up the weight that Neo cabs offer. And for us, these are totally different than what the BASS ARRAY cabs offer.
 
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Jeff Genzler said:
Yes, the Nu CLASSIC series does have some initial foundation in what we've done with a couple of past cabinet lines, but with updated speaker design, crossover and the vertical cabinet formats, along with even lighter weight cab construction and more precise bracing. We feel that for today's player it is a benefit to have options for enjoying the vibe of ferrite/ceramic drivers without giving up the weight that Neo cabs offer. And for us, these are totally different than what the BASS ARRAY cabs offer.
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Jeff, as always, I’m a big fan of your gear and have used it for many years. Could you describe the frequency response of both sized drivers in this line, or do you have a frequency graphs without the tweet. I was just getting ready to build a ferrite cab because I couldn’t find what I wanted on the market. I’d much rather buy than build at this time. Thanks for any input! Chris
 
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The cabs are all great. Different versions of awesome. I think sometimes I get ear fatigue trying to tell the difference. The MG I have is awesome. The BA I had was awesome, maybe a little more refined or modern. It’s so hard to describe sound. The NU cabs sound amazing as well. That 2000 sound in a light as a neo cab. I could gig with any of them and sound better than anyone around here.

My dilemma is my new love of “tube” tone. A REDDI is my DI of choice these days. I have a MG350 on my 12-T-V and it sounds great. I’d like to have a tube pre/DI for gigs where I use an a
amp - which are only a handful a year these days. I am torn between trying to find a used Streamliner from back in the Genz Benz days, wait and hope that Jeff is working on an update to the Streamliner, or just be happy with what I have.
 
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SteveC said:
The cabs are all great. Different versions of awesome. I think sometimes I get ear fatigue trying to tell the difference. The MG I have is awesome. The BA I had was awesome, maybe a little more refined or modern. It’s so hard to describe sound. The NU cabs sound amazing as well. That 2000 sound in a light as a neo cab. I could gig with any of them and sound better than anyone around here.

My dilemma is my new love of “tube” tone. A REDDI is my DI of choice these days. I have a MG350 on my 12-T-V and it sounds great. I’d like to have a tube pre/DI for gigs where I use an a
amp - which are only a handful a year these days. I am torn between trying to find a used Streamliner from back in the Genz Benz days, wait and hope that Jeff is working on an update to the Streamliner, or just be happy with what I have.
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It has been a while, but I have used different tube pre. At one point in the past I exclusively used a Groove Tube bass preamp and have handled a few others. About 4 years ago I added a simple ART Tube-Pre to my signal chain. And while any of my amps do a fantastic job stand alone, I alway felt it added a “little something” in sweetening my sound. Yes, there are more sophisticated tube-pres. It is more of a clean tube pre and not an overdrive distorted type. Mostly that type of distortion comes from the overdrive of power section of tube amps, and I prefer SS preamp approximation for that as it can, for me, become much more controlled. Although these days I prefer clean.
 
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kringle77 said:
Jeff, as always, I’m a big fan of your gear and have used it for many years. Could you describe the frequency response of both sized drivers in this line, or do you have a frequency graphs without the tweet. I was just getting ready to build a ferrite cab because I couldn’t find what I wanted on the market. I’d much rather buy than build at this time. Thanks for any input! Chris
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Chris, if you like these types of cabs without the tweeters, the drivers do not have any crossover roll off at the upper end, so turning off the tweeter does just provide the full Upper range if the woofers only. As for response comparisons, the 10" has a slightly more vocal mid than the 12", which you would expect from the size of the drivers. And the 210 has remarkable LF depth, more so than you might think in this compact a cab. If you're attracted to 10's, this is your cab.
I would say the mids are a little more mellow in the single 12 compared to the dual 10, which I think you would expect.
 
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Jeff Genzler said:
Chris, if you like these types of cabs without the tweeters, the drivers do not have any crossover roll off at the upper end, so turning off the tweeter does just provide the full Upper range if the woofers only. As for response comparisons, the 10" has a slightly more vocal mid than the 12", which you would expect from the size of the drivers. And the 210 has remarkable LF depth, more so than you might think in this compact a cab. If you're attracted to 10's, this is your cab.
I would say the mids are a little more mellow in the single 12 compared to the dual 10, which I think you would expect.
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What is the crossover frequency between the woofer(s) and the tweeter?
 
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Yes, the top end of the woofers is just above 4K, so there is a gentle dip above that---where the tweeter rolls on and the top end of the woofers roll off. And the tweeter we're using is also very smooth, infused with Ferro-fluid which smooths out the response and increases power handling. We've used it for a couple of decades now and it is bullet-proof. Well, but is is a bullet tweeter, so I don't know how to blend those comments. :unsure:
 
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