Genzler Amplification Club

[SadowskySteve]

... or the ability to get your guitarists to use some common sense.

so - you’ll probably need the 410 and a 210…

lolrotf! Almost lost my coffee right there.....

I nominate Loring for line of the year.

Way to go Loring!

 

[Djadja]

Well, as I have the two cabs available locally and immediately, I have no choice but to make that my current focus, and their respective maximum volume and projection isn’t going to change no matter what head I get. So my question remains: what would get me over a loud drummer and a couple guitarists better - 2 1x12 Raezers Edge Bass Lite cabs or a single 12-3 Bass Array? I’d love to hear from some players with experience playing a single bass array in this setting even if they don’t have experience with the 2 specific 1x12s in question.

Chris,
I used a single BA12 with a guitar based original pop band for a while. 2 Guitar players were running 30 wattish 212's at reasonable volumes and drummer was not a gorilla - balanced with the rest of the band. I never had to push my BA12 hard in small to medium clubs without PA support. How that translates to your setting... got me.
I expect the 2 112's would go louder but the BA12 would have much better dispersion and coverage.

 

[mwbonsall]

So I’ve tried my best to look through this thread for answers, but at 515 pages it’s all a bit much!
I’ve got the opportunity to purchase either 1 12-3 Bass Array, or 2 1x12 Raezers Edge Bass Lite cabs for the same $$, and honestly, while I think I’d probably like the tone of the Bass Array best I need to purchase whichever cabs will get me enough volume to get over a hard playing drummer and a couple 50 watt amp toting guitarists in a rock setting.
Just how loud does one of these 12-3 BAs get compared to 2 traditional 12” cabs? The Raezers Edge are front ported with no tweeter and use Eminence Deltalite 12” speakers.
Thanks all for any experience you may be able to draw on to help answer my question! This thread has been incredibly educational so far…

You will need more than a single 12 to get over a hard playing drummer, regardless of the brand of the cabinet. Just my 2 cents. 2/12 or 410 at least.

Mark

 

[Chris Marinelli]

Thanks all - turns out the person selling the 12-3 BA has two so I’m going to se if I can stretch my budget enough to grab both. That would make it a moot point anyways

 

[RColie]

Very favorable so far. For sure at rehearsal volumes they sound great - the two gigs I done with them so far have had their challenges with one being outdoors on the cement in a gazebo (and the first real gig in about a year so other non-Genzler issues kept presenting themselves), and the other the indoor pickup gig with an IEM setup we couldn't get dialed in. I've never tried the BA10-2s but these cabs seem to be working better for me personally than the BA12-3s - there's a 'snap' to them that I was never skilled enough to dial in on the BA12-3s. I always second guess myself on these things but my only initial question is if I should have gone with two 210s versus the 210+112 combination - that's a personal preference thing and not a concern about the cabs.

Thanks for your helpful reply, much appreciated. It's interesting that you prefer them for your situation over the BA12-3. Perhaps the "snap" you're referring to comes from the tweeters in the Nu Classic cabs.
Do you prefer the tone of the 210 over the 112, or were you just thinking more volume by having two 210s?
Thanks again,
Bob

 

[woody357]

Thanks all - turns out the person selling the 12-3 BA has two so I’m going to se if I can stretch my budget enough to grab both. That would make it a moot point anyways

Sorry, but you are too late I just bought them.

 

[Chris Marinelli]

Sorry, but you are too late I just bought them.

Welp, guess I’ll take the Raezers Edge then!

 

[woody357]

Welp, guess I’ll take the Raezers Edge then!

I’m just messing with you. I wish I had the money to get new cabinets

 

[Loring]

I’m just messing with you. I wish I had the money to get new cabinets

Lol you’re not nice!

 

[woody357]

Lol you’re not nice!

Hahaha just having some fun

 

[Loring]

 

[RColie]

Thanks all - turns out the person selling the 12-3 BA has two so I’m going to se if I can stretch my budget enough to grab both. That would make it a moot point anyways

I think the pair of BA12-3s would be well worth it. Go for it!

 

[DrSteve]

Not to change the subject, but...

I just received a BA 12-13 and have been playing with various combinations of cabs for about 2 hours and I've come to the conclusion that SteveC stated way back. I'm para-phrasing, and the discussion was about the BA 10-2 vs MG 12T-V, but it still applies and goes something like:
"You can't go wrong either way, just pick a cab and play."

Also found in the archives by many Genzler fans: They're all good, just different flavors of good.

No gigs till August 7th, so lots of time to decide what to bring.

 

[Type-55]

Any comments on the handle placements of the 12 and 10 cabs?
Do they swing into your leg as you lift them?

 

[SadowskySteve]

The original BA-12's have side handles. I always just used one side and its light enough that I personally did not notice an issue.

 

[Jeff Genzler]

Thanks Steve, good point.
Yes the original Bass Array 12-3 did have a strap handle on the side, like many other similar cabs. But when we added the SLANT and STRAIGHT differences we went to a top mounted recessed handle on both BA12-3SLT AND BA12-3STR. We found this to be a simple and comfortable option as you were always setting the cabinets down on their rubber feet. It seemed easy to pick up the cab and place the grille or back side against your let as you walk.
BUT --- I'll let any users comment if they find it an easy transport as they move from gig to gig.
The smaller BA10-2 does have the rear/top recessed edge-lift style handle, which on this small of a cab, seems to be an easy transport. Again. perhaps users will comment on their experiences.

 

[Loring]

Any comments on the handle placements of the 12 and 10 cabs?
Do they swing into your leg as you lift them?

I’ve never had an issue - I have the OG 12-3 with the side handle and the newer SLT with the top handle and they are both fine for me.

probably helps that they are only 30ish pounds so easier to lift than a bottle of water.

 

[duderasta]

Recently Bought a MG-800 and BA 410-3 In the process of moving and haven't really tried them out yet.

 

[Type-55]

Thanks Steve, good point.
Yes the original Bass Array 12-3 did have a strap handle on the side, like many other similar cabs. But when we added the SLANT and STRAIGHT differences we went to a top mounted recessed handle on both BA12-3SLT AND BA12-3STR. We found this to be a simple and comfortable option as you were always setting the cabinets down on their rubber feet. It seemed easy to pick up the cab and place the grille or back side against your let as you walk.
BUT --- I'll let any users comment if they find it an easy transport as they move from gig to gig.
The smaller BA10-2 does have the rear/top recessed edge-lift style handle, which on this small of a cab, seems to be an easy transport. Again. perhaps users will comment on their experiences.

Good info. Thanks

 

[RColie]

Any comments on the handle placements of the 12 and 10 cabs?
Do they swing into your leg as you lift them?

The BA12-3s with the top handle are very easy to carry; the handle is placed near the center of gravity so no swinging, and they're light. The MG12T-V and BA10-2 cabs of course have rear top edge handle placement to allow for the attachment of the MG350 head. I have no problem with swinging with those cabs either. The BA10-2 is so small and light it's like carrying a briefcase!

Hope this helps,

Bob