Genzler Amplification Club

[svtb15]

This is doing a fine job, Mg800, mg212, Reddi and alleva kbp4

 

[Bassworship1]

This is doing a fine job, Mg800, mg212, Reddi and alleva kbp4
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That is some serious tone with the Reddi, Genzler 212 and Genzler 800. That has to be fun.

 

[Mr-Bassman]

This is doing a fine job, Mg800, mg212, Reddi and alleva kbp4
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Doesn't Jeff's creations make bass playing so much more fun?!

 

[Mr-Bassman]

I'm sure no big surprise to anyone in this thread that this rig sounded incredible the other night. Has anyone tried live micing an array cab? Curious on how it would translate to pa.

 

[Turn Em Loose]

My BA 10-2 arrived the other day. Thanks @Mark Gollihur! Damn, but this little cab puts outs some serious sound! Small and light, too!! I bet a stack of two, or even three, would be stupid good.

My goal was to have a small/light cab that works well for URB and electric. This may be it. Going to test it out monitor style at my church gig this weekend .

I could use a tweeter control or some sort of high end attenuation. No really that big of a deal as I use my amp controls to adjust stage volume and tone.

 

[Turn Em Loose]

**EDIT** Talk about great customer service! @Jeff Genzler PMed me and wanted more info on the the cab and my comment on the zing. I figure I'll clarify here.

First of all, I do NOT plan on getting rid of this cab. In fact I started this thread after I received the 10-2 because I felt like it was the last piece of the puzzle. I needed (wanted?) a small/light/loud/clear cab for upright gigs and for lower volume electric gigs. I've owned a sh*t-ton of cabs and while I am finnicky as heck, if something hits me instantly I know it'll work. The 10-2 is one of those instant hits. Small, light, loud, easy to schlep. My Mesa Subway cabs were also instant likes, though for different reasons.

Secondly, I was primarily concerned with how a second 10-2 would go with the first one together. Two 10-2's are more zingy? Or more bottom? Or the same?

Thirdly, I don't want my initial post/review to be construed as "negative". Far from it. There is no perfect cab for anybody, IMO. Or I've never found one! And like I said earlier, this is a keeper for me.

Fourthly (Fourthly??), I'm a seasoned pro and while only an above-average player I do get lotsa different gigs (using IEM's, monitors and my own cabs with or w/out FOH) and feel my opinion is worth something. (I didn't say "a lot". I said "something". ) And this cab will work very well for me.

BUT, I stand by my "zingy" comment. I'll just dial down the Treble on the amp to taste. Not much different than dialing down a tweeter attenuator, IMO.

I almost always decouple my cabs from the floor so as to to not get too much low end mud on stage and let the FOH do the work. For me I can hear myself better with lower overall volume by doing this. If there is no FOH then I'll put it on the floor and EQ to taste.

I'm a four stringer that lives in the money zone. All finger style. Round would nickels or bright-ish flats. Not too much lows or too much highs. Leave room for the kick and vocals.

Signal chain is what's pictured. FOH gets the DI from the Noble after the pedals and I EQ the stage from the Clarus. The 10-2 is tilted back at me and sitting on a Gramma pad. The subs are under the stage a few feet away to the left.

The little 10-2 sounded quite good at the church which is like playing in a marble lined cavernous cave. We do have a very, very good soundman, though. He makes it sound fantastic. Not sure how, but he does it.

Anyway, just thought I'd try and clarify what was an inadvertantly negative sounding review. I'll keep it unedited below. Thanks for your indulgence!!**EDIT**

Church gig rehearsal. Only negative I can find is it's way too damn zingy for me. Note the High control on my Clarus is set to about 8:30-ish. And even then it's pretty zingy. But man, other than that it's such a great sounding cab. Bottom end and midrange are pretty near perfect for what I'm after, and it responds to EQ instantly. Plus it's light and loud and easy to one-hand.

I was thinking about getting another for a mini-stack'o'doom, but am concerned that the zing may be overpowering with two cabs?

FYI: The rest of my pedals are set to a "neutral" tone for FOH. IOW, I've found these settings to give, and take away, just enough for soundmen to have everything they need for a good FOH tone but also give me satisfaction on stage. If that makes sense.

 

[Erik Turkman]

Just curious. Were you getting the zing on upright, electric, or both?

 

[Turn Em Loose]

Just curious. Were you getting the zing on upright, electric, or both?

I have only had one practice session with the Genzler and upright, but my impression so far is there's not the zing on my upright that there is with the electric. My upright weems to benefit from a little zing.

 

[Erik Turkman]

Thanks. I'm looking forward to trying out the BA10-2 once my local dealer gets them.

 

[Turn Em Loose]

Thanks. I'm looking forward to trying out the BA10-2 once my local dealer gets them.

I should add that I, literally, plugged my upright into my Clarus head, kept the EQ flat and just used the HPF to get as good, or better, a tone than I've ever had.

And I'll add that I'm really not that good on URB. But I own a few nice suits and show up on time and can read charts well. So I get calls. I have a hybrid Shen with a Full Circle pickup. Most of my URB gigs are drummerless and not loud at all. Think cocktail-hour-jazz stuff. I think the 10-2 will be perfect for these gigs.

 

[svtb15]

What electric are you playing ? Is there a preamp in it? If it has a preamp, make sure the TREB isn't dialed up .
Even though you may have your pedal in BYPASS. Try plugging straight into your AI amp.. bass> Amp> Cab...
See if it still happens..

I have only had one practice session with the Genzler and upright, but my impression so far is there's not the zing on my upright that there is with the electric. My upright weems to benefit from a little zing.

 

[Turn Em Loose]

Done. And done!

Thanks for the suggestions!

I did edit my review somewhat. Just a FYI....

 

[RColie]

Done. And done!

Thanks for the suggestions!

I did edit my review somewhat. Just a FYI....

Thanks for the nice review! I don't like too much zingy either, but I'll be buying the BA10-2 with the MG350...with a twist of the knob Contour B will smooth out the top end to taste...I use it on my MG800 and it's magic.

Bob

 

[svtb15]

The Contour control is really very usable.. I use it to "Tuna Gig". lol ,,Tunes My Amp To Fit A Certain Gig.. .. .. I play with a few different situations each week. Next week i start shows with the American Idol guy Casey James.

It's a blues/ country gig. P bass with New flats, One bass Tuned down the other standard tuning. I may pull out the Hofner on a song if the FOH guy is OK with it.. I have two REDDIs so i figured I'll send multi channels to FOH so they don't have to tweak mid set when i do a bass change. MG212 and MG 800...


This week it's been a Berkley guitar player in a Rock/ Fusion sort of thing. I am running my MG800 almost flat.. Bass and Treble set at about 1 o'clock .But added some Contour B to trim ultra lows and ultra highs without digging a hole with EQ.. And seemed to give me a little more punchy / quicker response. That was a jazz Bass with rounds gig. NOTE : I have found similar settings and similar gear sounds different from player to player.MG212 and MG 800...

Today Im on a local bar gig with MG212 and MG 800...
Tomorrow a pop rock dance band, Lady gag gag stuff... All using the same rig..
It's the easiest amp to EQ quickly that i have ever owned.

 

[John D Harris]

**EDIT** Talk about great customer service! @Jeff Genzler PMed me and wanted more info on the the cab and my comment on the zing. I figure I'll clarify here.

First of all, I do NOT plan on getting rid of this cab. In fact I started this thread after I received the 10-2 because I felt like it was the last piece of the puzzle. I needed (wanted?) a small/light/loud/clear cab for upright gigs and for lower volume electric gigs. I've owned a sh*t-ton of cabs and while I am finnicky as heck, if something hits me instantly I know it'll work. The 10-2 is one of those instant hits. Small, light, loud, easy to schlep. My Mesa Subway cabs were also instant likes, though for different reasons.

Secondly, I was primarily concerned with how a second 10-2 would go with the first one together. Two 10-2's are more zingy? Or more bottom? Or the same?

Thirdly, I don't want my initial post/review to be construed as "negative". Far from it. There is no perfect cab for anybody, IMO. Or I've never found one! And like I said earlier, this is a keeper for me.

Fourthly (Fourthly??), I'm a seasoned pro and while only an above-average player I do get lotsa different gigs (using IEM's, monitors and my own cabs with or w/out FOH) and feel my opinion is worth something. (I didn't say "a lot". I said "something". ) And this cab will work very well for me.

BUT, I stand by my "zingy" comment. I'll just dial down the Treble on the amp to taste. Not much different than dialing down a tweeter attenuator, IMO.

I almost always decouple my cabs from the floor so as to to not get too much low end mud on stage and let the FOH do the work. For me I can hear myself better with lower overall volume by doing this. If there is no FOH then I'll put it on the floor and EQ to taste.

I'm a four stringer that lives in the money zone. All finger style. Round would nickels or bright-ish flats. Not too much lows or too much highs. Leave room for the kick and vocals.

Signal chain is what's pictured. FOH gets the DI from the Noble after the pedals and I EQ the stage from the Clarus. The 10-2 is tilted back at me and sitting on a Gramma pad. The subs are under the stage a few feet away to the left.

The little 10-2 sounded quite good at the church which is like playing in a marble lined cavernous cave. We do have a very, very good soundman, though. He makes it sound fantastic. Not sure how, but he does it.

Anyway, just thought I'd try and clarify what was an inadvertantly negative sounding review. I'll keep it unedited below. Thanks for your indulgence!!**EDIT**

Church gig rehearsal. Only negative I can find is it's way too damn zingy for me. Note the High control on my Clarus is set to about 8:30-ish. And even then it's pretty zingy. But man, other than that it's such a great sounding cab. Bottom end and midrange are pretty near perfect for what I'm after, and it responds to EQ instantly. Plus it's light and loud and easy to one-hand.

I was thinking about getting another for a mini-stack'o'doom, but am concerned that the zing may be overpowering with two cabs?

FYI: The rest of my pedals are set to a "neutral" tone for FOH. IOW, I've found these settings to give, and take away, just enough for soundmen to have everything they need for a good FOH tone but also give me satisfaction on stage. If that makes sense.

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Not sure how long it would take for the woofer in these cabs to break-in.
Not sure how much time you've put into it so far.
I was just thinking that it might slowly sound more balanced as the woofer approaches being 'fully' broken-in.

 

[Turn Em Loose]

Not sure how long it would take for the woofer in these cabs to break-in.
Not sure how much time you've put into it so far.
I was just thinking that it might slowly sound more balanced as the woofer approaches being 'fully' broken-in.

Hey...You know, I had not thought of that. Good point!

 

[Tdub77]

Not sure how long it would take for the woofer in these cabs to break-in.
Not sure how much time you've put into it so far.
I was just thinking that it might slowly sound more balanced as the woofer approaches being 'fully' broken-in.

Agreed, first impressions are nice but should be taken with a grain of salt. All electronics/speakers need a good amount of break in time(25 hours or more) to sound their best. The same goes for cables too actually...
I work in Hi-Fi and we have speaker manufactures that recommend several hundred hours for full break in. No kidding several hundred!
This pair for example 200-250 hours.
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[John D Harris]

Agreed, first impressions are nice but should be taken with a grain of salt. All electronics/speakers need a good amount of break in time(25 hours or more) to sound their best. The same goes for cables too actually...
I work in Hi-Fi and we have speaker manufactures that recommend several hundred hours for full break in. No kidding several hundred!
This pair for example 200-250 hours.
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I think it varies depending mostly on the suspension parts: surround & (what's it called?) spider (I think) - with some designs maybe the cone as well.
The more esoteric stuff - I don't know - electronic molecular burn-in?
Universal harmonic convergence?
Sounds like secret sauce to me.

 

[svtb15]

This is how i have to rack it up.. I got a rack shelf... Lots of open space..I wanted to have left and right clearance for air vents. But it keeps everything tidy and , hooked up and i can stow speaker cables in the rack too that never come unplugged from the amp. Gig bags are OK for fly dates and local gigs when i move my own stuff. But doing some touring stuff the bag leaves way too many chances of losing a cable, etc since its all in parts and i have to rely on someone else to take care of it for me. So this is how my amp is gonna ride for a while ..

 

[bebass]

**EDIT** Talk about great customer service! @Jeff Genzler PMed me and wanted more info on the the cab and my comment on the zing. I figure I'll clarify here.

First of all, I do NOT plan on getting rid of this cab. In fact I started this thread after I received the 10-2 because I felt like it was the last piece of the puzzle. I needed (wanted?) a small/light/loud/clear cab for upright gigs and for lower volume electric gigs. I've owned a sh*t-ton of cabs and while I am finnicky as heck, if something hits me instantly I know it'll work. The 10-2 is one of those instant hits. Small, light, loud, easy to schlep. My Mesa Subway cabs were also instant likes, though for different reasons.

Secondly, I was primarily concerned with how a second 10-2 would go with the first one together. Two 10-2's are more zingy? Or more bottom? Or the same?

Thirdly, I don't want my initial post/review to be construed as "negative". Far from it. There is no perfect cab for anybody, IMO. Or I've never found one! And like I said earlier, this is a keeper for me.

Fourthly (Fourthly??), I'm a seasoned pro and while only an above-average player I do get lotsa different gigs (using IEM's, monitors and my own cabs with or w/out FOH) and feel my opinion is worth something. (I didn't say "a lot". I said "something". ) And this cab will work very well for me.

BUT, I stand by my "zingy" comment. I'll just dial down the Treble on the amp to taste. Not much different than dialing down a tweeter attenuator, IMO.

I almost always decouple my cabs from the floor so as to to not get too much low end mud on stage and let the FOH do the work. For me I can hear myself better with lower overall volume by doing this. If there is no FOH then I'll put it on the floor and EQ to taste.

I'm a four stringer that lives in the money zone. All finger style. Round would nickels or bright-ish flats. Not too much lows or too much highs. Leave room for the kick and vocals.

Signal chain is what's pictured. FOH gets the DI from the Noble after the pedals and I EQ the stage from the Clarus. The 10-2 is tilted back at me and sitting on a Gramma pad. The subs are under the stage a few feet away to the left.

The little 10-2 sounded quite good at the church which is like playing in a marble lined cavernous cave. We do have a very, very good soundman, though. He makes it sound fantastic. Not sure how, but he does it.

Anyway, just thought I'd try and clarify what was an inadvertantly negative sounding review. I'll keep it unedited below. Thanks for your indulgence!!**EDIT**

Church gig rehearsal. Only negative I can find is it's way too damn zingy for me. Note the High control on my Clarus is set to about 8:30-ish. And even then it's pretty zingy. But man, other than that it's such a great sounding cab. Bottom end and midrange are pretty near perfect for what I'm after, and it responds to EQ instantly. Plus it's light and loud and easy to one-hand.

I was thinking about getting another for a mini-stack'o'doom, but am concerned that the zing may be overpowering with two cabs?

FYI: The rest of my pedals are set to a "neutral" tone for FOH. IOW, I've found these settings to give, and take away, just enough for soundmen to have everything they need for a good FOH tone but also give me satisfaction on stage. If that makes sense.

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To my ears, two BA10-2 do make a big difference due to the coupling and with the angle what we have is a real array using an array ha ha. Adding the 2nd one increases the bass response. I think what you hear as "zing" quite possibly may be due in-part to setup/bass as well as the array response bringing about an increased mid-high clarity. I haven't had time to try but a couple of basses with it, but they are notably different sounding basses with different strings, and of course the cab brings that out; one bass deep low sounding and the other more modern high-end.
I think once the speakers get broken in you will notice quite a change; I feel as these low drivers are a bit stiff and I assume that it the nature of the beast so as to achieve a particular design response. Once the drivers open up, it should be much smoother. I noticed this on a 210 I had from a different manufacturer as well and once it had been played for a while it really opened up nicely. I think when you add the 2nd cab you will be pleased at the difference.

Not sure how long it would take for the woofer in these cabs to break-in.
Not sure how much time you've put into it so far.
I was just thinking that it might slowly sound more balanced as the woofer approaches being 'fully' broken-in.

Agreed.