Genzler Amplification Club

[Turn Em Loose]

To my ears, two BA10-2 do make a big difference due to the coupling and with the angle what we have is a real array using an array ha ha. Adding the 2nd one increases the bass response. I think what you hear as "zing" quite possibly may be due in-part to setup/bass as well as the array response bringing about an increased mid-high clarity. I haven't had time to try but a couple of basses with it, but they are notably different sounding basses with different strings, and of course the cab brings that out; one bass deep low sounding and the other more modern high-end.
I think once the speakers get broken in you will notice quite a change; I feel as these low drivers are a bit stiff and I assume that it the nature of the beast so as to achieve a particular design response. Once the drivers open up, it should be much smoother. I noticed this on a 210 I had from a different manufacturer as well and once it had been played for a while it really opened up nicely. I think when you add the 2nd cab you will be pleased at the difference.


Agreed.

Thanks for your input!

And "No Thanks" for fueling my GAS. drool

 

[Jeff Genzler]

This is how i have to rack it up.. I got a rack shelf... Lots of open space..I wanted to have left and right clearance for air vents. But it keeps everything tidy and , hooked up and i can stow speaker cables in the rack too that never come unplugged from the amp. Gig bags are OK for fly daes and local gig when i move my own stuff. But doing some touring stuff the bag leaves way too many chances of losing a cable, etc since its all in parts and i have to rely on someone else to take care of it for me. So this is how my amp is gonna ride for a while ..View attachment 1094973

I always enjoy your stage pics with your gear ready for action and the stage lighting highlights.

 

[Jeff Genzler]

To my ears, two BA10-2 do make a big difference due to the coupling and with the angle what we have is a real array using an array ha ha. Adding the 2nd one increases the bass response. I think what you hear as "zing" quite possibly may be due in-part to setup/bass as well as the array response bringing about an increased mid-high clarity. I haven't had time to try but a couple of basses with it, but they are notably different sounding basses with different strings, and of course the cab brings that out; one bass deep low sounding and the other more modern high-end.
I think once the speakers get broken in you will notice quite a change; I feel as these low drivers are a bit stiff and I assume that it the nature of the beast so as to achieve a particular design response. Once the drivers open up, it should be much smoother. I noticed this on a 210 I had from a different manufacturer as well and once it had been played for a while it really opened up nicely. I think when you add the 2nd cab you will be pleased at the difference.


Agreed.

A major design element to the BA10-2 cab is the cabinet shape and the combination of baffle angle and the top panel relief. When using 2 cabs it does expand on the dispersion characteristics of the Bass Array concept forming a slight "arc" of the cabinet projection. This is why these little cabs can project so well for larger stages and venues when using 2 or 3.
As for speaker break-in, the nature of the speaker as a mechanical device does require a little use for all of the component elements to "settle". Your mileage may very depending upon the demand you place on them.
We also recognize that these cabs are pretty different from the norm and there characteristics of clarity and smoothness brings an element if "hearing yourself differently" which can be intriguing.

 

[svtb15]

Oh thank you Jeff.... Good thing i got a phone with lots of memory..

I always enjoy your stage pics with your gear ready for action and the stage lighting highlights.

 

[JLY]

When I use an amp it's usually not with IEM's so I don't use my little board - TU-2/JDI/Rolls PM50S - so that's why I like a little tuner (like a Korg CA 40) stuck to the top of my amp via the tuner out.

Now that Jeff has an update to my beloved Shuttle 3.0-10T I have debated upgrading, but the lack of a tuner out is a bummer. If I get a new 350 Combo I'll either find the smallest pedal tuner possible and stick it on the cab next to the head or use my Nano board for the tuner and my JDI for my DI.

Steve
You may not want to read the latest Bass Player Magazine....Ed Friesland review of the Magellan 350 combo

 

[ExaltBass]

When I use an amp it's usually not with IEM's so I don't use my little board - TU-2/JDI/Rolls PM50S - so that's why I like a little tuner (like a Korg CA 40) stuck to the top of my amp via the tuner out.

Now that Jeff has an update to my beloved Shuttle 3.0-10T I have debated upgrading, but the lack of a tuner out is a bummer. If I get a new 350 Combo I'll either find the smallest pedal tuner possible and stick it on the cab next to the head or use my Nano board for the tuner and my JDI for my DI.

Steve, a good start on the combo. For Sale - Genzler Magellan 350

 

[SteveC]

I saw that

 

[Turn Em Loose]

Just a quick update on my li'l buddy, the 10-2:

 

[jibass]

All that's missing is an MG-350 instead of that black box

Just a quick update on my li'l buddy, the 10-2:

View attachment 1097959

 

[Turn Em Loose]

All that's missing is an MG-350 instead of that black box

Don't think I haven't been tempted!

 

[jibass]

C'mon fella. Will'ya??

Don't think I haven't been tempted!

 

[Tdub77]

Don't think I haven't been tempted!

For Sale - Genzler Magellan 350

 

[Turn Em Loose]

C'mon fella. Will'ya??

That's funny!

(That's a quote my old man used to say to us kids when he was annoyed with us. We still kid him about it to this day.)

For Sale - Genzler Magellan 350

Enabler! Enabler!!

 

[Tdub77]

Enabler! Enabler!!

Well you know those of us with the addiction want others to journey down the rabbit hole with us...

 

[cultrvultr]

Longtime shuttle 3.0-8t user here. It's been very reliable but I am looking for a more 'hi-fi' sound.

Can anyone familiar with the shuttle combos compare it to the new Genzler combo with the array? More hi-fi?

 

[Jeff Genzler]

Just a quick update on my li'l buddy, the 10-2:

View attachment 1097959

Nice pic and compact set up. I like the way you've lipped the 2 front feet of your amp over the front edge of the BA10-2 cabinet. That is something users could do with just about any amp while using an amp stand with a dramatic angel as you show.
An amp stand like you show will direct a majority of the Array energy right at you which I could see would emphasize a lot more of the top end at you.
It does look like a great little setup.

 

[maurilio]

I gotta have to agree with Jeff, here. I do tilt all my cabinets no matter what. Sometimes just a little, but sometimes more when I'm standing very close due to small stages... the "risk" is that the resulting perceived sound is brighter or even lacking low end. I always try to get a decent balance between out front and nearby.

The BA10-2 is definitely one of those cabinets where placement can make a big difference! I always use two of them when gigging and just the combo for small rehearsal or little party jam in a "acoustic" setup.
I have pretty much gigged all the Genzler cabs by now and this little one I would say is the clearest of all.
I play my own custom basses which are active and super bright and definitely zingy (I adore that zip of my strings when slide around the neck!) and I would describe the BA10-2 the "brightest", but not zingy.

I think this cabinet could as well be described as the most hi-fi of all the Genzler cabs, but I would be very cautious using this term.
If by hi-fi for bass we describe a speaker as relative flat response, clear, even bottom to top, colorless... you name it.... I think the BA10-2 falls in this category.

Another thing, I did love the previous Genz-Benz stuff, but now I'm glad fender messed up so it freed Jeff and team to move on to a even better gear!

 

[Djadja]

Longtime shuttle 3.0-8t user here.

I had one for a while and regret selling that little combo more than anything I've passed onward in some time. The MG350-BA10 combo gives me serious GAS...

 

[jibass]

I'm a player at the "small" end of the spectrum, used a Shuttle 3.0 for years though with non-GenzBenz small cabinets so i can't speak to the old GenzBenz combos. I've had my Magellan 350 for about 10 days and am in the waiting queue for a Bass Array10-2 cab with amp cradle. Until then i'm still using a non-Genzler cab (a tiny 112).

I won't have gigs until next month so my comments are based on home/practice use.

I find the MG-350 to be more flexible than the Shuttle 3.0, a pretty obvious conclusion since the Contours are adjustable rather than the three on/off signal shape options on the Shuttle. The biggest difference, and i mean BIGGEST, is the heft and fullness of the MG sound compared to the Shuttle. The notes just JUMP out of the speaker, whether i have a warmish old school sound or modern hi-fi-ish sound dialed in. I'm no techie so i have no idea how Jeff and company achieved this but i find it quite remarkable and it sounds wonderful. So if you are a Shuttle user and thinking about replacing (i'd more accurately say upgrading) to an MG-350 i would not hesitate.

 

[cultrvultr]

So if you are a Shuttle user and thinking about replacing (i'd more accurately say upgrading) to an MG-350 i would not hesitate.

Thank you! I feel the GAS building. I play upright and a Rob Allen fretless. I feel like I am missing some clarity with the Shuttle. Eager to try out the new Genzler combo!