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#12,901
Dan Robbins said:
i’m sure, depending on your tonal goals, that would be a great choice. I’m wondering if you might miss some of the articulation you get from the array, as well as 10 inch speakers. 12’s sound a little pillowy to me, especially when I have two of them and no tens.

When I really need to punch through a band, I think it’s hard to beat two 2x10’s stacked vertically. But now you’re talking more weight and things to move around…

I personally feel like 12s don’t punch the same as tens, which is to say I am really enjoying the combination of a BA12-3 and a single BA10-2 on top. Depending on other jobs/small gigs or rehearsals, it’s pretty nice to have a scalable rig. And the new BA10 is only 19 pounds I think! And the single 12 is also a breeze to move and swing around even with one hand.

I would love to see a vertical Genzler 210 or 310 Bass Array cab…

i’m probably not helping at all but those are my thoughts… need me some tens for articulation.
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This makes sense to me but I've taken the BA15 out by itself on several occasions and find it just fine (except for the lack of height). That might just be the line array talking but I'm not sure if I'd miss the punch of the 10s. I'm ok feeling the bass more than hearing it (especially with the way I play). Maybe an NC110 on top of the 212 would be just what I need/want?

There is no doubt that when I play the 15 + 210 I'm in heaven...but I really am looking for Goldilocks here and that combo is definitely papa bear.

Curious...do you like the 10 for you to be able to hear yourself better or for the audience?
 
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dwellers said:
This makes sense to me but I've taken the BA15 out by itself on several occasions and find it just fine (except for the lack of height). That might just be the line array talking but I'm not sure if I'd miss the punch of the 10s. I'm ok feeling the bass more than hearing it (especially with the way I play). Maybe an NC110 on top of the 212 would be just what I need/want?

There is no doubt that when I play the 15 + 210 I'm in heaven...but I really am looking for Goldilocks here and that combo is definitely papa bear.

Curious...do you like the 10 for you to be able to hear yourself better or for the audience?
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I also have that exact same rig you’re talking about—BA15 and BA210. It’s really amazing but kind of bulky and a lot to carry around unless you need to bring the house down. Sometimes I add another 210 Bergantino and that rig is omnipotent…

but back on topic… If you don’t need to super hear every treble and high mid detail (Super important for my upright) than the NC212 alone I imagine is great for your needs. I haven’t tried it but I’m sure that thing can get super loud and it’s very light and vertical, lots of good things going for it.

for me, the BA 10 on top of my BA 12 just seems to bring the rig to life. They sort of fill in for each other in the detail of the notes and playing. And it sounds way bigger. I have put it on top of a 13 inch folding stool and that also brings it up to ear level and can get rid of hollow stage acoustic resonance.

So for my style, I am finding this mini combo to be the Goldilocks – – not too big or too small and very capable with a big low end. For classic rock, I could see how 212s would be perfect. I play upright and electric in a lot of styles including Jazz and Funk and fusion and so I appreciate having a little more detail that the array gives me.

I don’t think you would need to add anything on top of your 212 if you only need to feel the low end, but adding a 10 would probably add some pleasing detail and punch and bring it closer to your ears!
 
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Dan Robbins said:
I also have that exact same rig you’re talking about—BA15 and BA210. It’s really amazing but kind of bulky and a lot to carry around unless you need to bring the house down. Sometimes I add another 210 Bergantino and that rig is omnipotent…

but back on topic… If you don’t need to super hear every treble and high mid detail (Super important for my upright) than the NC212 alone I imagine is great for your needs. I haven’t tried it but I’m sure that thing can get super loud and it’s very light and vertical, lots of good things going for it.

for me, the BA 10 on top of my BA 12 just seems to bring the rig to life. They sort of fill in for each other in the detail of the notes and playing. And it sounds way bigger. I have put it on top of a 13 inch folding stool and that also brings it up to ear level and can get rid of hollow stage acoustic resonance.

So for my style, I am finding this mini combo to be the Goldilocks – – not too big or too small and very capable with a big low end. For classic rock, I could see how 212s would be perfect. I play upright and electric in a lot of styles including Jazz and Funk and fusion and so I appreciate having a little more detail that the array gives me.

I don’t think you would need to add anything on top of your 212 if you only need to feel the low end, but adding a 10 would probably add some pleasing detail and punch and bring it closer to your ears!
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The other thing about the BA cabs is that they do take up a lot of floor space and in tight spots having a narrow, tall rig would be very helpful. From being able to see your amp settings to hearing things better, I think it would just be a better fit (no pun intended). So many places are such a tight squeeze, I think the vertical cab approach is better for real life, mine anyway. @Joeykun gets to play those monster stages so not an issue for him! :)

Plus, I figure it could put a few hundo in my back pocket for whatever Jeff has up his sleeve!
 
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#12,906
Dan Robbins said:
@dwellers I think you should try your BA15-3 raised off the floor a bit with a stool, amp stand, or table and it might be incredible!
That thing just pumps out the air…
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... hmmm , i was wondering if the BA15-3 , paired with the MG800 ,
would be loud enough for a moderately loud three piece blues band ?
:bassist:
 
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#12,909
Ive used the BA15-3 outside by itself with minimal FOH and no subs and it was still a very full sound. I added some high mids and treble to get a little more detail and the low end was still very big. My friend who is an engineer at Universal Audio and was in the audience commented about how good it sounded, even through the mid range—was surprised “Especially for a 15”

I still prefer to have some tens on top, but this was a challenging load in and very quick turnaround and I wanted just one full range cab that could put out the lows in an outdoor situation.

@dwellers I know it isn’t designed for this, but it could be interesting to try the BA15-3 on its side vertically to save footprint space. Might sound pretty good!
 
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Dan Robbins said:
I would definitely think so!
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Holdsg said:
agree. I have repeatedly used a single 15-3 with my Magellan 800 for a moderately loud 5-piece country band.
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Dan Robbins said:
Ive used the BA15-3 outside by itself with minimal FOH and no subs and it was still a very full sound. I added some high mids and treble to get a little more detail and the low end was still very big.
My friend who is an engineer at Universal Audio and was in the audience commented about how good it sounded, even through the mid range—was surprised “Especially for a 15”

I still prefer to have some tens on top, but this was a challenging load in and very quick turnaround and I wanted just one full range cab that could put out the lows in an outdoor situation.

@dwellers I know it isn’t designed for this, but it could be interesting to try the BA15-3 on its side vertically to save footprint space. Might sound pretty good!
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dwellers said:
I've used that combination (MG800, BA15) with a VERY loud, 2 guitar, Marshall equipped rock band without a problem.
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... all very good to know , thanks for the help !!
still , i may have to cough up money and get the BA210-3 cab also ...
:cool:
 
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I saw/heard a NU212 last weekend. I thought it was a 210 at most. So small and compact. And sounded huge. I don't know about 10 v 12 and punch and all that. I know I preferred my 112T-V over my BA10-2 when I did a side by side. Not a big difference, but for my single cab needs, the 12 had just a little more ability to handle my B string.
 
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SteveC said:
I saw/heard a NU212 last weekend. I thought it was a 210 at most. So small and compact. And sounded huge. I don't know about 10 v 12 and punch and all that. I know I preferred my 112T-V over my BA10-2 when I did a side by side. Not a big difference, but for my single cab needs, the 12 had just a little more ability to handle my B string.
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agree about the b string!
 
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#12,917
The BA's are bit more clear and articulate.
More precise one could say. If you want super clean, they are the way to go.
The NuClassic is more of vintage and has a bit more overall character to my ears.
The small footprint is another plus. The NC212T weighs 44 lbs as stated above which I find remarkable considering it is loaded with ferrite drivers. I guess I simply prefer the sound of the ferrite drivers over the Neos. All of the Genzler cabs sound amazing, including the MG's.
 
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