I’ve thought about using it just for some “tactile-ness” from it as it’s too small to interfere with the house mix. But I’m not sure it’s big enough to give any stage rumble or anything like that so I leave it for “unsupported” gigs.
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If I used it more I’d have a 2nd MG112T-V can for a stack. Bet it sounds awesome.
The band I'm in also uses both. IEM's really help with being able to hear the vocals and sing harmony as well as keeping the stage volume down. We do use amps to fill out the stage sound but with a FOH system the onstage amps are at a much more reasonable level.
edwinhurwitz
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That probably works for most people. However, in my experience, the FOH engineer brings up my channel essentially flat (These are engineers who have worked in many of the major venues in the US). What comes out of my speaker should be what comes out of the PA, if both are tuned correctly. So, the engineer in most cases hasn't done all that much work. And I do change the EQ (and pickup balance) pretty frequently on the bass. What's the point of getting a good tone if the FOH isn't going to hear it and reproduce it?
The eq’ing they do would just roll off some of the top since you’d be going to the pa which is frfr. It would take minimal eq to normalize what you did to make your cabs sound great. If you want what comes out of your speaker to come out the pa - you’d need to use a very flat response mic on your speaker.
Thanks, Edwin. Experienced FOH engineers trust the musicians to build the sound of their band - that's who the band is, and who the musicians are, after all. With a good band with good players, the engineers should not get involved with any changes to what they are getting from the stage to put in FOH unless there is an issue with the venue acoustics that requires corrective actions.
I'm glad you've had enough regional and national touring opportunities to get to work often with these experienced, confident guys. We know how things tend to be at the local level. The less experienced, less trained FOH engineers want to place their own imprint on the mix, to make it sound like they think the band should sound, vs letting the band create their own sound.
Of course, this works best with the better bands, where the players really do know what sounds best on their instrument to build the sound of the band.
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Since I'm one of those experienced FOH engineers, I see it from both sides. At the higher level, generally the bass tone has already been sorted out in a way that's a good compromise to fit into the band mix. There are some exceptions that I can think of where the player was struggling to hear their rig on stage and eq'd it so they could hear better but that resulted in problems with their signal because the issues on stage did not exist in the house and in this case either a compromise is worked out or the band mix will suffer.
At the lower end, many players are essentially clueless about how a bass (or guitar) tone needs to fit into a mix. A tone that sounds "wonderful" solo in a bedroom may not be a good choice in a mix in a live room, and these are (IME) the players who will argue the most but could also benefit the most from listening to experience. This is one of the few reasons why I stuck with the touring acts, I didn't need to be on the receiving end of attitude from a player who did not yet know what they didn't know and wouldn't listen to reason from somebody far more experienced then they were. My job was to make the band sound as good as possible, within the limitations of the players, and when the band sabotages their own show because they don't know better, it's no fun to be in the hot seat listening to complains independent of the PA being on or off.
A mix has time and space. It has time so that everything doesn't happen at once and it has space so it doesn't happen on top of itself.
edwinhurwitz
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I've been doing this as a bassist and an audio engineer for 40 years, so I'm aware of how this works. Given that my main source of information about my bass tone is full range IEMs, I'm pretty on top of what my tone sounds like coming out of the DI.
edwinhurwitz
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Ah, now you're getting it! But what happens when IEMs aren't available? My feeling is that the speakers should provide the same sound.
It makes life really easy though. Once I had it dialed in, I haven’t changed my IEM mix for a long time. My Nano I sissy to carry, and I’m plugged in and sound checked in minutes. Clean stage. Almost absolute volume control. There’s a reason that people went/go this way. Yes, sometimes I miss amps. But in the long run, for what I’m/ the band is doing right now, DI/IEM/Silent Stage makes sense.
That’s why I love when I have some other type of gig where I need to use my amp. A little taste of old school is fun now and again.
Nothing personal, Steve. I don't know you. But -1. (In the vein of the old Talkbass replies of +1.)
This whole Genzler Amplification thread is about amplifiers. It isn't about those out there who don't want to have amps on stage. Those of us who buy Jeff's products DO want to have amps on stage, instead of IEMs stuck in our ears. Genzler amps are very accurate, vs. older amps that don't present players' music well on stage.
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That's what the Genzler PRE/DI is for! 
If it makes you feel better Steve uses the Magellan to craft his sound and has a genzler stack he uses when the need arises and he is quite familiar with the gear…
I wouldn’t personally go around -1 anyone. Everyone has experience and knowledge to share.
I have lots of reply’s talking about Jeff’s stuff. I’ve used it since it was Genz Benz. I’ve probably used more Genz Benz/Genzler gear than many here. We can talk everything from Neo-Pak to GBE to Shuttle to all the cabs to MG350 and 800 heads, BA cabs, Magellan cabs. Pedals. I’ve used them as well. I love using my combo when it’s called for. I have thought about using a combo even with our IEM’s. I think I stated that earlier in the thread.
I’m not anti-amp at all. I suppose that post could be a little suspect and I’m a little sad at the way my gear needs have gone the last few years.
I have also stated (if not here, elsewhere) that I have thought a lot about ditching my Stomp for a Genzler DI pedal.
Anyway, those that know me know that I love Jeff’s gear. I was one of the first to have the MG112T-V cab - and still do.
I’m not anti-amp at all. I suppose that post could be a little suspect and I’m a little sad at the way my gear needs have gone the last few years.
I have also stated (if not here, elsewhere) that I have thought a lot about ditching my Stomp for a Genzler DI pedal.
Anyway, those that know me know that I love Jeff’s gear. I was one of the first to have the MG112T-V cab - and still do.
I use IEM’s. And prefer not to use cabs with them. Because I’m an adult and can make my own decisions. I don’t need to explain it to anybody. And whether we use IEM’s most of the time or some of the time we’re here because we appreciate Genzler products and the great minds behind the products.
It’s amazes me how full and punchy two little 1x10’s can be. Or even one 1x10! I’ve had a lot of great gear but Genzler is the real deal. You can get different but you can’t get better.
It’s amazes me how full and punchy two little 1x10’s can be. Or even one 1x10! I’ve had a lot of great gear but Genzler is the real deal. You can get different but you can’t get better.
Speaking of 10's, where's the MG110T-V cab?
I'd buy one, probably two, and I suspect others would too.
I'd buy one, probably two, and I suspect others would too.
