Joeykun
pronounced ジョーイくん
- Jun 22, 2007
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Genzler Amplification Club
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The Genzler Magellan-ULV-212T arrived yesterday. Initial impressions after playing it with fingers and pick on Fender Pro Jazz and Precision basses, and Gretsch 6072 “Country Gentleman” hollow body through Kinetix 800 and Genzler Shuttle 3.0 amps … superb sound that reproduces exactly what you feed the cab. The 212 sounds especially balanced with the Kinetix 800. Solid. Authoritative. With Shuttle 3.0 and Gretsch (and TI flat wounds), the sound is remarkably close to a double bass. Ordinarily this information would be enough but there’s more because as a long-time Genz user, I already suspected sonic quality would be top notch. And I’m not alluding to build quality because this is also excellent with rugged construction and obvious close attention to detail (kudos to the builders in Ohio!). No, my main reason for getting this cab was weight and form factor. The ergonomic placement of two recessed side handles makes lifting this 36-pound cab feel like a featherweight. It weighs less than a typical single-12 cab, and since the handles are higher on the 2-driver frame, lifting is safer and easier. The physical features mean I can easily take this cab to any gig and enjoy the authority of 2-driver sound even for low-volume requirements. Thank you, Jeff Genzler, for this exceptional invention!
Interesting that we both use the flat EQ settings on our Kinetix amps. I run one or two Mesa Subway 115’s and usually play a Bongo 6.
Those settings are in my sound treated home studio. EQ on the Kinetix is very responsive. For example, while playing the Precision bass, I slightly backed off lower-mids to maybe 11:00 and the signature bark suddenly smoothed out. But in general, I like the amp's default flat settings; ditto on my basses.
Jeff Genzler
Commercial User
- Feb 9, 2007
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- Currently GENZLER AMPLIFICATION / Formerly GENZ BENZ
Thanks Dave, I appreciate the comments about the new cab and thank you for being a long time, GENZ and now GENZLER user.
Yes, we're getting some great immediate feedback from some of those players that have picked up the first units out the factory door.
I'm glad that the size and ergonomic feel of this 212 hit home for you before you plug it in and enjoy the tone.
And I think the Kinetix is a great fit for any of these MG-ULV cabs as their warmth blends well with the tube warmth of the amp.
Thanks so much.
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I was taking a moment just to ponder Joey's 2x4x10 with 800 Kinetix watts on top and marveled at the evolution of the beastly stage amp.
In the 60's, that was the SVT with 300 watts and two 8x10s. The king reigned for decades.
In 2026, it is now this Genzler. That quite possibly is the never-to-be-exceeded pinnacle of bass stage amplification. It's probably much louder than the SVT, even with two cabs. It is most definitely (or is that most deafeningly?) clearer and deeper than the SVT. It has a broader range of overdriven and distorted tones. It's much lighter weight, total- saved that one for last.
I hope eventually that someone can get a 60's SVT on a stage, with this Genzler configuration, side-by-side, and experience both amps at similar stage volumes, then give us a report.
If anyone creates something that's even further beyond this Genzler stack, I have no doubt it'll be Jeff.
Mein gott! For all of us living in the mid-20's and playing through little combos and/or going direct to IEMs, this amp stack is beyond fantasy and belief.
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Foreigner's Journey is coming to the Paramount Theatre in Bristol, TN on May 10! Yes! Here are the details: A Foreigners Journey - Paramount Bristol
I have a good friend in Kingsport who was at the Craig Ferguson show there last night, and who has been there for 10+ other concerts. He says it's one of his favorite venues ever. I'm going to give him a call and we'll score the tix! My week just got a lot better..
I have a good friend in Kingsport who was at the Craig Ferguson show there last night, and who has been there for 10+ other concerts. He says it's one of his favorite venues ever. I'm going to give him a call and we'll score the tix! My week just got a lot better..
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Joeykun
pronounced ジョーイくん
- Jun 22, 2007
- 4,200
- 16,150
- Disclosures
- Endorsing: LAKLAND SADOWSKY GENZLER DARKGLASS NORDSTRAND TEMPLEBOARD KIRLIN DRSTRINGS ACCESS
Unfortunately, I will have backline for this show and not my Genzler rig.
Look forward to meeting you after the show Michael!
Backline? Well! So you'll play your Genzler pedals at least.
Hey, I'm looking forward to meeting you as well!
What dates do you get to use your own amplification? There is a lot about tour traveling these days that I don't know, since I don't do it.
Hey, I'm looking forward to meeting you as well!
What dates do you get to use your own amplification? There is a lot about tour traveling these days that I don't know, since I don't do it.
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Joeykun
pronounced ジョーイくん
- Jun 22, 2007
- 4,200
- 16,150
- Disclosures
- Endorsing: LAKLAND SADOWSKY GENZLER DARKGLASS NORDSTRAND TEMPLEBOARD KIRLIN DRSTRINGS ACCESS
All fly dates are backline. Anything under an 8hr road trip I use my own gear. This year looks like 50% of the shows will have a Genzler behind me.
My goal is to get more backline companies to have a Genzler offering
Absolutely more Genzler backlines!All fly dates are backline. Anything under an 8hr road trip I use my own gear. This year looks like 50% of the shows will have a Genzler behind me.
My goal is to get more backline companies to have a Genzler offering
I didn't realize it was as much as 50%, for FJ. "Fly dates" literally does mean air travel in that case. I'm glad you are getting to use your gear the rest of the time.
Joeykun
pronounced ジョーイくん
- Jun 22, 2007
- 4,200
- 16,150
- Disclosures
- Endorsing: LAKLAND SADOWSKY GENZLER DARKGLASS NORDSTRAND TEMPLEBOARD KIRLIN DRSTRINGS ACCESS
To put it in perspective, my next 15 shows are all fly dates. I won’t get to use my Genzler rig until mid May.
Good afternoon folks. New to the Genzler family, having recently bought a new Kinetix 800. I have already played two gigs with it and couldn’t be happier. The amp has an amazing warm, full sound. I have been a tube guy forever but the tone and power of this amp is impressive. I am just getting familiar with the tone shaping controls and capabilities of this amp, and still have much to learn. Anyway, I am very happy with my new amp, and recommend it to anyone looking for great bass sound.
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Well I have had quite the interesting evening. One of the things I've been meaning to do while I have a few cabs on hand is to take frequency response measurements, just to help me better understand what I'm hearing. I hadn't planned on sharing any of these measurements because they're very ad-hoc and people who do this correctly for a living will get mad if I don't disclaimer the heck out of this. So here is the disclaimer: this is an ad-hoc in-room measurement using a calibrated Dayton UMM-6 eyeballed to a reasonable 1 meter on-axis position and angle and smoothed to 1/12 octave. Nothing I present should be considered definitive, particularly anything under 300 Hz. Lots of variability in the response graph is to be expected in any setting, and this is absolutely not an acoustic lab or even a treated room.
All that said, I am sharing my measurement of this first version, leather strap BA12-3 anyway because it is basically perfect.
If you're not accustomed to reading these measurements: the small up and down are unimportant. The large dips at about 190 Hz and 260 Hz are very obviously room resonance issues and should be ignored. Do not trust the bass falloff to be remotely accurate. What we are looking for is large and wide peaks or dips, big swings, overall trends. And in respect ... there are none. It's just flat across the speaker's bandwidth. At a glance the 5k-10k region looks a bit recessed, but a broad downwards slope is typical for an in-room measurement and the graph pretty much shows that from 600-10k. I cannot tell you how much hifi equipment isn't able to do this. For a pro audio, no an instrument speaker to come in like this? It's art.
The S1 BA210 graph is somewhat messy in comparison, and I won't be sharing it in case I made a mistake and it's not accurate.
The S1 BA410 graph is essentially the same as the BA12-3 except that the response is broadly down 3, maybe 4 dB from 3 kHz on up. I think this is plausible, it's probably about where the woofers stop contributing and the line array isn't quite as loud. I actually think it's somewhat flattering for a bass guitar where the 12-3 can seem bright/forward, but a simple shelving EQ of +3 dB from 3k would flatten it out completely. You can do the reverse to the 12, as well, to get a "mini 410" sound signature.
Straight up just play recorded music through any of these cabs, and it sounds fantastic. I'm sure the S2 only improves further from here.
All that said, I am sharing my measurement of this first version, leather strap BA12-3 anyway because it is basically perfect.
If you're not accustomed to reading these measurements: the small up and down are unimportant. The large dips at about 190 Hz and 260 Hz are very obviously room resonance issues and should be ignored. Do not trust the bass falloff to be remotely accurate. What we are looking for is large and wide peaks or dips, big swings, overall trends. And in respect ... there are none. It's just flat across the speaker's bandwidth. At a glance the 5k-10k region looks a bit recessed, but a broad downwards slope is typical for an in-room measurement and the graph pretty much shows that from 600-10k. I cannot tell you how much hifi equipment isn't able to do this. For a pro audio, no an instrument speaker to come in like this? It's art.
The S1 BA210 graph is somewhat messy in comparison, and I won't be sharing it in case I made a mistake and it's not accurate.
The S1 BA410 graph is essentially the same as the BA12-3 except that the response is broadly down 3, maybe 4 dB from 3 kHz on up. I think this is plausible, it's probably about where the woofers stop contributing and the line array isn't quite as loud. I actually think it's somewhat flattering for a bass guitar where the 12-3 can seem bright/forward, but a simple shelving EQ of +3 dB from 3k would flatten it out completely. You can do the reverse to the 12, as well, to get a "mini 410" sound signature.
Straight up just play recorded music through any of these cabs, and it sounds fantastic. I'm sure the S2 only improves further from here.
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- Apr 3, 2003
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The BA12-3 performed very well throughout our Cab Lab measurements, and was especially close to "flat" up through 4.5kHz in the 30 degree off-axis measurement. Our measurements were done using a calibrated microphone in Audiomatica's Clio, 1 watt at 1 meter, both on and off-axis.
