I'm guessing the contours are a medium width around 500Hz and a narrower one near 800Hz. That's what makes the most sense to me, if you are into cutting.
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Genzler Amplification ! New Genz Benz ?
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Thought it was just me.... Same takeaway . Too sterile for my ears and over featured for my uses.... Perfect sure for others
Looking forward to checkin out the D800
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I have not gigged teh BA12-3... We all know the LIVE setting is way different than a store setting .. But we can get an idea..
I think that the cab puts out what you feed it.. So feed it well... If you put colour in , you get color out .. if you put pristine in you get pristine out..
I would like to report better but i would need to bring my amp and bass to the store and play so i could report with more depth..
I have a pile of stuff right now that i am not able to devote the proper time to doing that .
I think that the cab puts out what you feed it.. So feed it well... If you put colour in , you get color out .. if you put pristine in you get pristine out..
I would like to report better but i would need to bring my amp and bass to the store and play so i could report with more depth..
I have a pile of stuff right now that i am not able to devote the proper time to doing that .
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I hope not. Those two freq are way too close to make sense (to me of course).
500/600 + 1k<->1.5k would be more versatile, but I hope it would be pre-selectable (from inside) with the two different slopes/curves...
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Well GK uses 500 and 1k on the MBF amps..
500 and 800 are real close to two of the settings on most Ampeg Mid selector freq.. And that has worked well for many people...
The Streamliner has 220, 660 and 2.5k IIRC..
Many people on TB say they dont ever use the contours on most amps.
I do, but rarely. and very sparingly. I can usually get what im looking for with BMT controls 90% of the time
500 and 800 are real close to two of the settings on most Ampeg Mid selector freq.. And that has worked well for many people...
The Streamliner has 220, 660 and 2.5k IIRC..
Many people on TB say they dont ever use the contours on most amps.
I do, but rarely. and very sparingly. I can usually get what im looking for with BMT controls 90% of the time
I've used my single BA12-3 for 4 gigs at this point - two with a lower volume church band, one with a lower volume Americana act, and one with a mid volume bar band in a medium noisy bar. I play a fretless Beebass GrooveBee (my primary bass) and a MIM P bass with TI flats (on the Americana gig). I put the cab on an amp stand about 18 inches from the floor and slightly tilted up. My cab before was an Acme B2 and my head is a Genz Benz shuttle 9.0. In these settings, one 12-3 met my needs and was a very easy schlep.
I have a rehearsal tonight with the bar band using a different drummer who evidently plays a lot harder. We'll see how that all works but I don't anticipate any problems.
I liked the huge bottom on the B2 but was looking for something with a bit less there and a more articulate mid and tighter lows. The BA12-3 gives me that in spades. The downside of all of that is that I can hear when I'm out of tune on my fretless so it really pushes me to play more carefully.
The church soundman missed the low end but the rest of the band, especially the drummer, all say they can hear me more clearly. We had a guest drummer last Sunday who is a top end pro and he loved the sound of the bass through that rig. He had played with us before when I was using the Acme and said he really appreciated the difference. I played the B2 with about a 3 db cut on the bass EQ (shelving at 80 Hz) and flat on the mid and treble. With the BA12-3 I've been pushing in the bass boost (boosts 38-67 Hz) and cutting back about 2-3 db on the bass EQ and sometimes on the mid with a center frequency at 150 and maybe a touch on the treble as well when using the P bass (4K). At the church, the soundman is taking a DI from the head and adding a bit more bottom through the church subs. I'm still experimenting with all of this.
The 12-3 really cuts through the mix and just sings with the fretless. We did two songs on Sunday morning that had these gorgeous lines between the verses and it really did sing out. The P bass sounds exactly like it should. All in all, the cab has done exactly what I was hoping for and I'm really pleased with it. At this point, one gets as loud and authoritative as I want to get and can't imagine many situations where two would not be enough for almost anyone.
I would really like to see a single rackspace class D amp, 800-1200 watts.
It would be a tube buffer stage feeding into an adjustable hp filter, to adjustable gain, 80hz shelving, 150hz peak, 500hz peak, 1khz peak, 3k shelving, adjustable Low pass filter, master volume. Those are useable features that could benefit most players and keep things simple. Having a HP filter before the gain stage does alot to shape any od sounds and the HP filter on the end helps tame anything annoying. No second channels for od or compressors because those things are to variable from player to player. No contour or boost controls. Do this, and I'll sell other gear to buy it. So will others.
It would be a tube buffer stage feeding into an adjustable hp filter, to adjustable gain, 80hz shelving, 150hz peak, 500hz peak, 1khz peak, 3k shelving, adjustable Low pass filter, master volume. Those are useable features that could benefit most players and keep things simple. Having a HP filter before the gain stage does alot to shape any od sounds and the HP filter on the end helps tame anything annoying. No second channels for od or compressors because those things are to variable from player to player. No contour or boost controls. Do this, and I'll sell other gear to buy it. So will others.
That's why is not so simple designing gear that works for everyone's needs... It's like belly buttons, every one has a different one!
For instance, I'd love contours and preset-able filters and a higher treble/high tone ctrl!
But we will have to wait and see what our master Jeff Genzler has come up with!
For instance, I'd love contours and preset-able filters and a higher treble/high tone ctrl!
But we will have to wait and see what our master Jeff Genzler has come up with!
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what you want is what i want..Cant get them . so i have to piece it together.. A neve 1073 or 1084 pre
So I had the rehearsal with the harder drummer... I didn't bring my amp stand. That was a BIG mistake.
We were set up in a circle with me facing the drummer and the two guitar player/singers facing each other. I think the drummer heard the bass most clearly. It is such a small cab that much of the sound just blew past the ankles of three of us. I was loud enough but I really was reminded to get that small cab either off the floor or pointed up to make it easier to hear. A second one would have served that purpose very nicely even though it would not have been required for either volume or punch.
True... but I don't need it and can't really justify the expense to she who shan't be named.
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not only does having two get it up high for you to hear better. BUT when you combine two, the overall perceived vol is multiplied. In a Good way...
My soy sealed 410 is now my favorite cab for this reason. I can actually play a little more quiet.
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Glad to hear you are liking the cab!I've used my single BA12-3 for 4 gigs at this point - two with a lower volume church band, one with a lower volume Americana act, and one with a mid volume bar band in a medium noisy bar. I play a fretless Beebass GrooveBee (my primary bass) and a MIM P bass with TI flats (on the Americana gig). I put the cab on an amp stand about 18 inches from the floor and slightly tilted up. My cab before was an Acme B2 and my head is a Genz Benz shuttle 9.0. In these settings, one 12-3 met my needs and was a very easy schlep.
I have a rehearsal tonight with the bar band using a different drummer who evidently plays a lot harder. We'll see how that all works but I don't anticipate any problems.
I liked the huge bottom on the B2 but was looking for something with a bit less there and a more articulate mid and tighter lows. The BA12-3 gives me that in spades. The downside of all of that is that I can hear when I'm out of tune on my fretless so it really pushes me to play more carefully.
I played the B2 with about a 3 db cut on the bass EQ (shelving at 80 Hz) and flat on the mid and treble. With the BA12-3 I've been pushing in the bass boost (boosts 38-67 Hz) and cutting back about 2-3 db on the bass EQ and sometimes on the mid with a center frequency at 150 and maybe a touch on the treble as well when using the P bass (4K). At the church, the soundman is taking a DI from the head and adding a bit more bottom through the church subs. I'm still experimenting with all of this.
The 12-3 really cuts through the mix and just sings with the fretless. We did two songs on Sunday morning that had these gorgeous lines between the verses and it really did sing out. The P bass sounds exactly like it should. All in all, the cab has done exactly what I was hoping for and I'm really pleased with it. At this point, one gets as loud and authoritative as I want to get and can't imagine many situations where two would not be enough for almost anyone.
"The 12-3 really cuts through the mix and just sings with the fretless"."The downside of all of that is that I can hear when I'm out of tune on my fretless so it really pushes me to play more carefully"
Oh man, I know exactly what you mean. I am not a fretless accomplished player, but I have been playing one lately and tried it through the BA12-3 and I thought the same thing as you. But being able to hear better does encourage better playing habits and in my case, I would say playing the fretless has cleaned up my regular fretted playing - actually quite a bit.
I'm not Jeff, and I don't appear to know anything, but I have to think he's targetting NAMM in January.
