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[Double Agent]

I'm a bit embarrassed, I posted this yesterday in the wrong thread. Oh well.

I wanted to share this video I made for a Scott's Bass Lessons challenge, using my Magellan 800 and a single BA12-3 cab. I just love the tone of this particular bass thru this rig. The playing is mediocre, I am just learning the song, but not the tone, even when recorded with a phone.



The bass is a Lakland skyline Glaub with aftermarket Novak Darkstar added. Passive.

Nice tone! Care to share your channel/contour/EQ settings?

 

[Sav'nBass]

Well to be fair the Mesa D800 is stable to 2.67 ohms as well...and even goes on down to 2 ohms.

That is good to know... and mind you now.. My statement was not in any way meant to taske away form the heads I mentioned.. just pointimng out that the pricing on the Magellan is competitive and commensurate with the market..

 

[svtb15]

What im finding with the MG800is that i don't have to turn the knobs very much to find a great and usable sound..
I have been switching between basses a lot lately since i am working in a few different and separate musical situations . I'll go from my Alleva kbp4 with rounds, to my old Jazz with rounds or Flats ,to my 5 string active Alleva LG5, to my RW fender P with flats.. This amp is so easy to get a sound quickly.. And i find that i am NOT turning knobs all day long..

 

[Holdsg]

Nice tone! Care to share your channel/contour/EQ settings?

Sure, but it will be a week. Away from home for a week.

 

[Jeff Genzler]

Anybody know if the 3" drivers are the 16ohm versions? That's the only way I can see how they would be sensitive enough to keep up with the 12pr300. Thanks

We are using the 8 ohm version. The 16 ohm would not work due to impedance issues of the entire cabinet system. As for the sensitivity, actually the 8 ohm works out perfectly with how we've designed the entire system. It the frequency range in which we are using these drivers, they are much more sensitive than the printed spec. And with the array design the coupling benefit of 4 drivers in such a tight configuration also increases the overall sensitivity of the entire line array component.
This is how the Bass Array reproduces such a smooth "single source" type of focused response as it blends with the output of the 12" woofer.

One difference between the BA12-3 design and the BA210-3 design is in the lower mid area (under the response of the array) as the dual 10"s are a little more "polite" in that frequency range. Several players that have tested the new BA210-3 cab calling it a little more modern in its tone than the BA12-3.

I hope this is helpful.

 

[kringle77]

Hey, thanks! Especially the info on the ba210-3. I wasn't sure how they would differ. So the 12 is more "middy". Cool.

 

[Bassworship1]

Guys I'm really excited as today is the day I receive my 2 Genzler 112 Bass Array Cabinets. I sold my 2 TC Electronic RS210 cabs that I previously was using with my Genzler 800 amp to get them. These are alot of money but the reviews made me think they are worth it.

 

[JLY]

We are looking forward to your review!

 

[Tdub77]

Hey, thanks! Especially the info on the ba210-3. I wasn't sure how they would differ. So the 12 is more "middy". Cool.

Low mids yes I think, upper mids I'd probably lean to the 210. just my opinion...

 

[Jeff Genzler]

Low mids yes I think, upper mids I'd probably lean to the 210. just my opinion...

Regarding Kringle 77's comment:
I would not call the BA12-3 "middy" as a description. I think there is more "throat" and "authority" that the 12" woofer delivers in the low-mid frequency range---especially when compared to the BA210-3.
This is what people have liked about the BA12-3 cab as well as the Magellan Series of cabs which use the same 12".

 

[BuffaloBob4343]

Regarding Kringle 77's comment:
I would not call the BA12-3 "middy" as a description. I think there is more "throat" and "authority" that the 12" woofer delivers in the low-mid frequency range---especially when compared to the BA210-3.
This is what people have liked about the BA12-3 cab as well as the Magellan Series of cabs which use the same 12".

I would even say deep and throaty.....

 

[svtb15]

Throaty is a good description.. I tried one at my local dealer in TX guitar sanctuary. It's NOT middy. but it delivers the throatiness that I think can be great for all basses to cut yet stay with authority. . Works GREAT with p basses that tired it with. . I RARELY play upright electric., But i can only imagine it being the cat's meow on acoustic uprights..

 

[kringle77]

I'd love to see some better videos of the array. Anybody compare them to bag end s15d cabs? I know they are very different cabs.

 

[Bassheart365]

What im finding with the MG800is that i don't have to turn the knobs very much to find a great and usable sound..
I have been switching between basses a lot lately since i am working in a few different and separate musical situations . I'll go from my Alleva kbp4 with rounds, to my old Jazz with rounds or Flats ,to my 5 string active Alleva LG5, to my RW fender P with flats.. This amp is so easy to get a sound quickly.. And i find that i am NOT turning knobs all day long..

In contrast to my GK MB800. Very powerful micro but I was always fiddling with the controls to get the sound I wanted.

 

[Jim Dandy]

Can those that have tried the new BA210-3 cab post their impressions of how it compares to the BA112-3 cab? I know how the 112 sounds, but probably won't be able to find a 210 to demo in person.

 

[Djadja]

Can those that have tried the new BA210-3 cab post their impressions of how it compares to the BA112-3 cab? I know how the 112 sounds, but probably won't be able to find a 210 to demo in person.

@Spfairchild did a video review of the BA210-3. There are some artifacts at the end of the envelope in the video that I'm guessing is from his bass. Perhaps the voicing of the speaker cab is what is bringing them forward, but I don't think they are coming from the cab. He talks a bit about the comparison between the 210 and 112 at a number of points but speaks to the voicing at about 1:50 and 3:20. Elsewhere he has put up photos of his gig rig, using one of each of the bass arrays.

 

[Combinator]

Thanks for posting the video, @revroy!
The strings are actually SIT nickel Rock Brights, in case you were curious.

The BA210-3 is great, and if only using one of the Array cabs, I would definitely select this one. It has less midrange presence than the BA12-3, which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your tonal preferences. As I say in the video though, for the way I play (grindy fret noise and all) the BA210-3 sounds closer to the way I end up EQing my tone with other cabs.

Both Arrays combined are heavenly - played two shows with the MG800 and one of each Array last weekend and have another one today and one more on Saturday with this config - but I imagine two of the BA210-3s would just be mind blowing. You might have to actually add some mids in though with two of these, depending on what you like. Maybe that's why the combo sounds so nice - they compliment each other well.

 

[Djadja]

Thanks for posting the video, @revroy!
The strings are actually SIT nickel Rock Brights, in case you were curious.

I apologize for not being more clear... what I meant to say is that I didn't think those artifacts were coming from the speaker but rather from the instrument. It really is irrelevant whether I like them or not... Perhaps the clarity of them is a reflection of the voicing of the speaker? I'll go back and edit the post to reflect that a bit better.

I've been playing a single BA12-3, which is more than adequate for my uses, but wondered when the 210 came out if I would be better off with one of those... or if I ever do add a second cab whether one of those or another 112 would be better. Getting a sense of how something really sounds via a Youtube video is only a few steps above auditioning gear at NAMM but your descriptors were really helpful for alleviating my GAS. Since I play fretless exclusively, that vocal midrange is where I live so the 112 is a good place for me to be... and if I add a second cab, I'll likely stick with another 112. thanks

 

[Combinator]

Awesome! Your use case is a perfect example of one working better for a player than the other. It's definitely not the case that either is superior - they just sound different.

The audio on that video is very pure - mic'd from 6" away with a large diaphragm, no compression, no audio leveling or any post effects. That's bass to amp/cab to interface, with as few variables as possible. I hope it helps!

 

[Djadja]

Awesome! Your use case is a perfect example of one working better for a player than the other. It's definitely not the case that either is superior - they just sound different.

and that is the joy of having multiple great choices... hopefully we can each get close to that sound that we hear in our heads (minus the voices)