Get off my LAWN! "Grumpy Old Farts"

[Chubby Fingers]

A-way-back-when The Six Million Dollar Man looked cool to someone, but never to me. :: smh :: Absolutely not agreeing to machine and/or AI interfaces in my body. I'll keep what's mine, thanks.

Having known my fair share of people with Parkinsons, motor neuron disease, epilepsy, etc. and being a type 2 diabetic myself, I can see the benefits of limited "smartness" implants. Also for the deaf, the blind, the paralyzed, etc.

However, having a USB in the back of my neck just so I become a virtuoso bass player overnight or can surf the net faster or play super-dooper video games...

 

[GwenOnBass]

No
No
No no no no no Elon Musk unveils pig with chip in its brain
No
and I mean it.

 

[Chubby Fingers]

^ well I suppose he heard the scientific term "guinea pig" and decided to go one better.

FWIW remember we've had pacemakers and hearing implants for the deaf for decades now. So long as the use of implants is for medical need I have no objections. Converting us to cyborgs is a whole different kettle of fish.

 

[Chubby Fingers]

Besides which, while the rest of the World would be using USB (all be it of sixteen different kinds), Apple would still insist on using their own.

 

[12BitSlab]

No
No
No no no no no Elon Musk unveils pig with chip in its brain
No
and I mean it.

For the last 30 years of my career, I worked in computer and information security - that which government officials and journalists like to call cyber security. It is already relatively easy to wirelessly hack things like pace makers and the like. That means a nefarious person could murder you by using malware.

Things will not get better until the medical device manufacturers take security seriously and design it in from the start.

 

[Chubby Fingers]

For the last 30 years of my career, I worked in computer and information security - that which government officials and journalists like to call cyber security. It is already relatively easy to wirelessly hack things like pace makers and the like. That means a nefarious person could murder you by using malware.

Things will not get better until the medical device manufacturers take security seriously and design it in from the start.

AFAIK no-one has yet been bumped off by someone deliberately messing with their pacemaker, and if someone did want to bump off someone with a pacemaker there are plenty of easier / cheaper / more traditional ways to do it. For example, a Taser. Vlad prefers slipping something nasty into your cup of tea (or glass of vodka) or just poisoning you on a park bench in Salisbury - but he didn't realise just how close Porton Down is to Salisbury and how good the boffins there are at their jobs.

Compare and contrast to how many lives have been saved / extended by pacemakers.

 

[12BitSlab]

AFAIK no-one has yet been bumped off by someone deliberately messing with their pacemaker, and if someone did want to bump off someone with a pacemaker there are plenty of easier / cheaper / more traditional ways to do it. For example, a Taser. Vlad prefers slipping something nasty into your cup of tea (or glass of vodka) or just poisoning you on a park bench in Salisbury - but he didn't realise just how close Porton Down is to Salisbury and how good the boffins there are at their jobs.

Compare and contrast to how many lives have been saved / extended by pacemakers.

I am in no way saying that pace makers should not be used. They have saved more lives than I could possibly count.

There are ethical hacker conventions where those who participate demonstrate weaknesses in all kinds of systems such as medical, web servers, browsers, compilers, alarm systems, and voting machines.

They have successfully demonstrated that at least 2 types of pace makers can be accessed and controlled wirelessly without authentication. In the words of Babu from Seinfeld, that is "Bad! Very, very bad!"

As we move forward, medical manufacturers need to step up their game BEFORE someone dies on all types of medical equipment. As it stands now, the hackers merely need to hack a wifi router and demand a ransom in bitcoin or they could release their malware on someone with an unpatched medical device.

When I bought my 2018 ride, the software can be updated over the net via wifi. I contacted the manufacturer and asked if they use code signing. I was forwarded to the group that does their software. They didn't understand the question! So I wrote a letter to the CEO and cc'd the board. They do proper code signing now.

so I agree whole heartedly that pace makers and similar devices are great healthcare inventions. They do need, however, to address security far more than they do now.

 

[BargeOn]

Keep in mind that along with artificial intelligence you get artificial stupidity.
I suppose if you factor in human fallibility disaster is almost a foregone conclusion.
Ecce machina.

 

[Deleted member 268085]

Keep in mind that along with artificial intelligence you get artificial stupidity.
I suppose if you factor in human fallibility disaster is almost a foregone conclusion.
Ecce machina.

Uh, yeah.

From 1 Oct 1999

NASA lost its $125-million Mars Climate Orbiter because spacecraft engineers failed to convert from English to metric measurements when exchanging vital data before the craft was launched, space agency officials said Thursday.

 

[Chubby Fingers]

When I bought my 2018 ride, the software can be updated over the net via wifi. I contacted the manufacturer and asked if they use code signing. I was forwarded to the group that does their software. They didn't understand the question! So I wrote a letter to the CEO and cc'd the board. They do proper code signing now.

Yet another reason to keep my gas guzzling 6.2 liter V-8 AMG Mercedes...

 

[alaskaleftybass]

Besides which, while the rest of the World would be using USB (all be it of sixteen different kinds), Apple would still insist on using their own.

........at twice the price!

 

[alaskaleftybass]

That's why I enjoy this group so much. The topic varies from day to day and often touches on subjects near and dear...
If hackers could get into pacemakers, wouldn't it be easy to add an RFID blocking sleeve to the device? They wrap sleeves into wallets. Still, the thought is very scary, and until someone actually dies from pacemaker malware, they may never do anything. Being suspicious of our authorities, I highly doubt that they'd even fess up to something like that anyway.

Beautiful morning in sleepy Sitka. Even though the Covid-19 controls were in strict effect we still had a healthy fishing and fish processing season. Remarkably, the local fish processors managed to create a temporary isolation community and eventualy up to 400 temporary workers from all over the world came in to process millions of tons of fish. We haven't had a death yet knock on wood.

The weather turns into showers this time of year as God decides to swell the creeks for a time to allow the salmon to swim upstream to their birthing sites to recreate then die. It's incredible watching thousands of fish milling in a a shallow creek loitering, waiting for the water to rise--which it always does--to return home. Nice Saturday morning. Carey hasn't given me any assignments yet!

 

[SoulReflection]

That's why I enjoy this group so much. The topic varies from day to day and often touches on subjects near and dear...
If hackers could get into pacemakers, wouldn't it be easy to add an RFID blocking sleeve to the device? They wrap sleeves into wallets. Still, the thought is very scary, and until someone actually dies from pacemaker malware, they may never do anything. Being suspicious of our authorities, I highly doubt that they'd even fess up to something like that anyway.

Beautiful morning in sleepy Sitka. Even though the Covid-19 controls were in strict effect we still had a healthy fishing and fish processing season. Remarkably, the local fish processors managed to create a temporary isolation community and eventualy up to 400 temporary workers from all over the world came in to process millions of tons of fish. We haven't had a death yet knock on wood.

The weather turns into showers this time of year as God decides to swell the creeks for a time to allow the salmon to swim upstream to their birthing sites to recreate then die. It's incredible watching thousands of fish milling in a a shallow creek loitering, waiting for the water to rise--which it always does--to return home. Nice Saturday morning. Carey hasn't given me any assignments yet!

The salmon life-cycle is sad but it is a sped up example of what we humans have the opportunity to experience during our extended time on earth.

Hopefully the salmon experience the joys of life and re-birth as we do...somehow I think we are more of the lucky ones, given the time we have.

 

[alaskaleftybass]

The salmon life-cycle is sad but it is a sped up example of what we humans have the opportunity to experience during our extended time on earth.

Hopefully the salmon experience the joys of life and re-birth as we do...somehow I think we are more of the lucky ones, given the time we have.

Time is relative. I think someday humankind will live to 200 years old.

 

[beans-on-toast]

So what tastes better, just spawned or younger salmon.

 

[GwenOnBass]

If we all live to be 200 years old or better, that also means your first raise won't happen until you're 65. About fifty years of work at the same pay.

 

[beans-on-toast]

Hopefully the salmon experience the joys of life and re-birth as we do

Are you talking Samsara?

 

[SoulReflection]

So what tastes better, just spawned or younger salmon.

From experience, younger...

 

[GwenOnBass]

Are you talking Samsara?

Samsara is another addiction.

 

[GonePlaid]

Time is relative. I think someday humankind will live to 200 years old.

Why?