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Get off my LAWN! "Grumpy Old Farts"

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"To know what you know, and to know what you don't know, is to know."
Confucius

It's attributed to him. Just that if taken literally, it's paradoxical. Maybe it should read "that you don't know" -?

Guess I'll be stuck with: கற்றது கையளவு கல்லாதது கடலளவு kaṟṟatu kaiyaḷavu kallātatu kaṭalaḷavu "what we have learnt is just a handwith, what we do not know is wide as the ocean"
 
A really good sex scandal can nearly bring down a government.

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It's attributed to him. Just that if taken literally, it's paradoxical. Maybe it should read "that you don't know" -?

Guess I'll be stuck with: கற்றது கையளவு கல்லாதது கடலளவு kaṟṟatu kaiyaḷavu kallātatu kaṭalaḷavu "what we have learnt is just a handwith, what we do not know is wide as the ocean"
Given its reputation as a standard for Japanese businessmen in the go-go bubble years of the 1980s, I've run across innumerable overly florid translations of Sun Tzu's The Art of War than I care to remember (not to mention clueless American businessmen who completely and utterly miss the point of the book, often to a degree that borders on being offensive).

However, the single best translation I've found, which respects the original work's roots in Taoist minimalism, is by Thomas Cleary, who has the discipline not to get up his own backside with "interpretation" as opposed to good translation. (Someone, or some group, at MIT has taken it upon himself/themselves to transcribe the whole thing here, but I still like to refer to my well-worn print edition.)

One of the most magnificent summaries of thought from Master Sun (as the name/title "Sun Tzu" would translate) concerns awareness, both of one's self and of others, found in the closing notes of the section of siege planning. As with so many other aspects of Taoist philosophy, of course, it is applicable across a wide range of human nature:

"So it is said that if you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."

[ Mental meditation chime rings here. ]

In other words, to be truly thorough, one has just as much work to do assessing one's self as one might think one does in assessing others.

In some quarters, this has been reduced to be analogous with the ubiquitous "know thyself," which is far easier to fit onto jewelry, home decor items, and yoga apparel. :wacky:

I'll stick with Master(s) Sun & Cleary, though. :thumbsup:
 
Given its reputation as a standard for Japanese businessmen in the go-go bubble years of the 1980s, I've run across innumerable overly florid translations of Sun Tzu's The Art of War than I care to remember (not to mention clueless American businessmen who completely and utterly miss the point of the book, often to a degree that borders on being offensive).

However, the single best translation I've found, which respects the original work's roots in Taoist minimalism, is by Thomas Cleary, who has the discipline not to get up his own backside with "interpretation" as opposed to good translation. (Someone, or some group, at MIT has taken it upon himself/themselves to transcribe the whole thing here, but I still like to refer to my well-worn print edition.)

One of the most magnificent summaries of thought from Master Sun (as the name/title "Sun Tzu" would translate) concerns awareness, both of one's self and of others, found in the closing notes of the section of siege planning. As with so many other aspects of Taoist philosophy, of course, it is applicable across a wide range of human nature:

"So it is said that if you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."

[ Mental meditation chime rings here. ]

In other words, to be truly thorough, one has just as much work to do assessing one's self as one might think one does in assessing others.

In some quarters, this has been reduced to be analogous with the ubiquitous "know thyself," which is far easier to fit onto jewelry, home decor items, and yoga apparel. :wacky:

I'll stick with Master(s) Sun & Cleary, though. :thumbsup:

"But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know, know it's gonna be
Alright, alright, alright"

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Or possibly Sgt. Shultz



John Banner had an interesting background. Ironic that he played a German prison camp guard. It must have been difficult. He was Jewish and lost family in concentration camps during WWII. He was an actor performing with a troupe in Switzerland when Hitler annexed Austria in the late 30's. He was able to get to the US where he learnt english and joined the army air core as a supply sergeant. His thinner self was on a recruiting poster. He served until 1945 and went back to acting in the US.

John Banner - Wikipedia
 
John Banner had an interesting background. Ironic that he played a German prison camp guard. It must have been difficult. He was Jewish and lost family in concentration camps during WWII. He was an actor performing with a troupe in Switzerland when Hitler annexed Austria in the late 30's. He was able to get to the US where he learnt english and joined the army air core as a supply sergeant. His thinner self was on a recruiting poster. He served until 1945 and went back to acting in the US.

John Banner - Wikipedia
He was on an episode of Father knows Best, this morning...
 
My recollection of Hogan's Heroes is it is the only watchable show when I roll into my hotel after a late press start. Breakfast buffet in an hour or so that I'll take and crash until the project manager rings me in an hour to ask why there was a late press start. I know nothing, rinse and repeat

He knew how to paint;). He portrayed an artist.

An artist as a young man?

James Joyce's personal letters are far to explicit to ever be printed. Speaking of sordid, Joyce's Ulysses is pretty darn explicit. His letters ... :jawdrop:
 
My recollection of Hogan's Heroes is it is the only watchable show when I roll into my hotel after a late press start. Breakfast buffet in an hour or so that I'll take and crash until the project manager rings me in an hour to ask why there was a late press start. I know nothing, rinse and repeat



An artist as a young man?

James Joyce's personal letters are far to explicit to ever be printed. Speaking of sordid, Joyce's Ulysses is pretty darn explicit. His letters ... :jawdrop:
"Father Knows Best" Brief Holiday (TV Episode 1957) - IMDb
 
"But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know, know it's gonna be
Alright, alright, alright"


Nearby retailers are all going higher end, prices are going up. Their idea of a revolution. One place used to sell a basic sock, locally made, non-binding cuff, non designer product at the back of the store for people like me. No more. I got stuck buying designer socks made in Portugal for a crazy price.
 
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