Well they could be donated to schools or charities or whatever so kids could learn to love playing guitar...and good ones at that
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Gibson... again...
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Do some research on the Firebird X and tell me they're good guitars.
The only thing wrong with them is the electronics can be confusing or slightly faulty. They play really well. You could slap on regular tuners and pots and pull out the wiring and still play it fine. It would have some holes in it but who cares if you got a 4000 dollar guitar for free. That is if you are really that much opposed to the electronics. Most of them are fine once you get used to it.
Wow, that's just not right no matter why it was done.
They're guitars. They emit sound (well, signal) when struck. And they have a built-in tuner!
Not all kids are as demanding as North American kids... I'm sure many less privileged young learners would have found one of those "crap guitars" a wonderful gift.
So go buy one and give it to a kid. Gibson's donated over $30 million worth of gear already. And you guys have donated...?They're guitars. They emit sound (well, signal) when struck. And they have a built-in tuner!
Not all kids are as demanding as North American kids... I'm sure many less privileged young learners would have found one of those "crap guitars" a wonderful gift.
Hi folks
When I first saw the video (on the other Gibson thread) I posted:
And then I started to read this thread…
I found out that the guitars are not just simple guitars like we all know them.
They are full of outdated electronics and can' t be sold.
Of course I can understand the decision not to give them away!
A bad product is a bad product, even when it is a gift!
But you still have to take care, that your product will be recycled!
Bravo!
Metals, plastics, wood……... have to be seperated.
Electronics contain a variety of very expensive and rare raw materials. (e.g. copper!)
And they also contain certain highly toxic raw materials!
These have to be treated, separated and stocked adequately
Today we have companies that are specialized in separating and recyling everything!
The less work these companys have with separating the raw materials, the more they will pay you!
When you show up with a container full of metal you will get good money!
When you show up with a guitar, it becomes more complicated to separate the raw materials.
You have to pay something.
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And when you come with a container with everything mixed and shredded,
electronics in pieces ,woodsplinters, metal parts and plastics,
you will have a huge problem. They don' t have to take waste that can 't be separated and if they do,
it will cost you a fortune!
But what do I know about business? Probably nothing!
Somebody posted: It' s their guitars and they can do what they want…
No! They can' t! It' s not legal what they did!
By using an escavator shredding these guitars, they did not only lose money.
By shredding the electronics they created toxic waste!
They did noy do this in a facility, that is equiped for retaining dangerous substances.
Every production site where you work with toxic stuff has to be conform with the norms!!!
Gibson has a gravel yard outside!
They might get sued for this! They cannot even tell that they didn' t know!
Their own press release on Reverb talks about it!!!
But spending money for lawyers is always good business.
What do I know about business? Probably nothing!
greetings
Wise(b)ass
When I first saw the video (on the other Gibson thread) I posted:
Hi folks
Yep! Kids of today will ask you: Why don' t they recycle the pups, pots, ……
Kids are not stupid! (they care for their future and their planet!)
And then I started to read this thread…
I found out that the guitars are not just simple guitars like we all know them.
They are full of outdated electronics and can' t be sold.
Of course I can understand the decision not to give them away!
A bad product is a bad product, even when it is a gift!
But you still have to take care, that your product will be recycled!
Bravo!
Metals, plastics, wood……... have to be seperated.
Electronics contain a variety of very expensive and rare raw materials. (e.g. copper!)
And they also contain certain highly toxic raw materials!
These have to be treated, separated and stocked adequately
Today we have companies that are specialized in separating and recyling everything!
The less work these companys have with separating the raw materials, the more they will pay you!
When you show up with a container full of metal you will get good money!
When you show up with a guitar, it becomes more complicated to separate the raw materials.
You have to pay something.
1+
And when you come with a container with everything mixed and shredded,
electronics in pieces ,woodsplinters, metal parts and plastics,
you will have a huge problem. They don' t have to take waste that can 't be separated and if they do,
it will cost you a fortune!
But what do I know about business? Probably nothing!
Somebody posted: It' s their guitars and they can do what they want…
No! They can' t! It' s not legal what they did!
By using an escavator shredding these guitars, they did not only lose money.
By shredding the electronics they created toxic waste!
They did noy do this in a facility, that is equiped for retaining dangerous substances.
Every production site where you work with toxic stuff has to be conform with the norms!!!
Gibson has a gravel yard outside!
They might get sued for this! They cannot even tell that they didn' t know!
Their own press release on Reverb talks about it!!!
But spending money for lawyers is always good business.
What do I know about business? Probably nothing!
greetings
Wise(b)ass
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You serious? Yes, I do donate to charities, even if I'm not Gibson... What does this have to do with the present discussion?
Please stop your quest to delegitimize people expressing their criticism by calling them "whiners". You're the only one whining here, Sir.
Look, the guitars were crap. $4000 crap. Donated crap is still crap. It's not like there are no guitars left in the world anywhere.
"Crap" is subjective... 90% of what North Americans eat is Pure Crap for us Italians.
Given just how many Gibsons there were, and no other brand, why not!
Sorry, were you replying to me? Your post seems to have nothing to do with my question. Hint: my question had nothing to do with Gibson.
Thanks!
You saved me from answering Yango's post. 
Has the EPA seen this video, yet?By using an escavator [sic] shredding these guitars, they did not only lose money.
By shredding the electronics they created toxic waste!
They did noy do this in a facility, that is equiped for retaining dangerous substances.
Every production site where you work with toxic stuff has to be conform with the norms!!!
Gibson has a gravel yard outside!
Do you think we don't already know this?...90% of what North Americans eat is Pure Crap for us Italians.
Italians tend to be quite arrogant. That's my experience."Crap" is subjective... 90% of what North Americans eat is Pure Crap for us Italians.
Well, I don't know, I'm no expert either; what I see is just a bulldozer in what looks like a large rubbish dump... But then again, in the "Guitar Distruction" [sic] video, I don't even see the guy slicing Gibson ES's in half with a band saw use gloves or eye protection, so...
Italians are usually cool. Italian Americans are often the arrogant ones
Before I get complaints, stow it. You know it's true.
I agree on the eye protection, but not on the gloves when using tools that the gloves may get entangled in.
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I dunno, I'm Italo-Italian...Italians are usually cool. Italian Americans are often the arrogant ones
Before I get complaints, stow it. You know it's true.
I never said they were usable.
That aside, tell Hendrix, Trent Reznor, Richie Blackmore, Kurt Cobain, John Entwistle, Krist Novoselic, Pete Townshend, Jeff Beck and hundreds of others it's a wrong move to destroy instruments.
Oh, and Paul Simonon.
So because someone famous did it then it's ok?
(sorry if it seems I'm holding you personally responsible for all the evils of this world... nothing like that intended, in person you'd hear it in my tone and see it in my body language... but you are the one who mentioned breaking instruments for fun so yeah, I'm aiming at you, but I'm only shooting foam soft balls
)Every time I saw Yngwie Malmsteen switch guitars and break a Squier Stratocaster, I cringed. I still remember how hard it was for me to buy my first guitar!
For whatever reason, they were destroyed. My wife works for a school district doing lunches, they throw out a ton of food every day. She works in a school that has an 80% use of the free/reduced lunch program because of poverty. Can't give the food away, lawsuits and regulations and the like. It's tragic, it's bullcrap, it's how it is.
So, they had to be destroyed. End of story.
...Now, I don't believe for a single minute that any single poster in this thread if handed 150 guitars with a mandatory order of complete destruction wouldn't look for creative and fun ways to do it..like lining them up under an earthmover and crushing them, throwing them into giant shredders, lobbing them off the top story of a 100' tower, having sword fights in the back lot, building a pyre and torching, whatever.
So, they had to be destroyed. End of story.
...Now, I don't believe for a single minute that any single poster in this thread if handed 150 guitars with a mandatory order of complete destruction wouldn't look for creative and fun ways to do it..like lining them up under an earthmover and crushing them, throwing them into giant shredders, lobbing them off the top story of a 100' tower, having sword fights in the back lot, building a pyre and torching, whatever.
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