Gibson... again...

[giacomobass]

I agree on the eye protection, but not on the gloves when using tools where the gloves may get entangled in.

I thought anti-cut gloves were required when using machinery that could easily slice off a finger or two...

Please bear with me, one day I'll learn to use this multi-quote thing...

 

[lz4005]

So because someone famous did it then it's ok?

No, because it's fun it's ok.

 

[Jeff Scott]

I thought anti-cut gloves were required when using machinery that could easily slice off a finger or two...

I suppose it depends on one's country's regulations. When I was in shop class as a youngin', we were taught to not wear any loose clothing that could get caught in a tool (long sleeve shirts, ties, etc.) During the past few years we have been doing many gut renovation projects at home, and none of the contractors wore gloves when using any of their power (or, otherwise) tools. Safety was a very high priority with them, too (well there was this one guy............ ).

Please bear with me, one day I'll learn to use this multi-quote thing...

Multi-quoting is easy to do. Click on the + Quote button (lower right of each post) on all the posts you want to respond to. Then, when you make your own post click on the Insert Quotes... button at the left side under the text box. A window will pop up confirming this. Click on Quote These Messages in that box and all the posts you want to reply to will show up in the text box. Place your replies after the "end quote" of the hypertext for each individual quote. You may have seen replies embedded within someone else's quote; this is because the post was not typed after the "end quote" of the person they quoted.

This sounds a bit convoluted, and it is, but that's how it works.

Hope this helps (assuming my instruction are correct! ).

 

[Wisebass]

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[Koshchei]

Do some research on the Firebird X and tell me they're good guitars.

They're not bad guitars. They were just a dumb idea with a ludicrous price attached.

This is a bad-by-any-measure Gibson guitar:

http://images.gibson.com.s3.amazona...Gibson-USA-M2/M2SS17EBCH3_FINISHES_FAMILY.jpg

 

[40Hz]

Yet another TB thread that’s beginning to generate more heat than light.

Has anybody started a pool yet for how many more posts there will be before the inevitable mod-lock comes down? I wanna get my $5 in.

 

[giacomobass]

Thanks for the step-by-step instructions, Jeff Scott!

Back OT: FWIW, I personally agree that the Gibson Flying X, or whatever it was called, was/is an embarrassing concept of a guitar. It looks like it was designed by Homer Simpson or something!
BUT what I think is not relevant, as long as I, or anyone else, could find a "crappy" guitar, or bass, beautiful and/or useful. And vice versa. Also, I'm well aware of the costs involved in properly recycling consumer goods (especially those including electronic components), and I never said or thought that recycling, or even donating, those guitars instead of crushing them like stale bread is something that Gibson could have done at no cost whatsoever. BUT it would have been the Right Thing to do from many points of view, except the only one that appears to matter to that company: profits. That is just my opinion, of course.

On a side note, gotta love how this thread just vanished from the "Active Today" list on TB's home page!

 

[Shanannigan]

For whatever reason, they were destroyed. My wife works for a school district doing lunches, they throw out a ton of food every day. She works in a school that has an 80% use of the free/reduced lunch program because of poverty. Can't give the food away, lawsuits and regulations and the like. It's tragic, it's bullcrap, it's how it is.

So, they had to be destroyed. End of story.

...Now, I don't believe for a single minute that any single poster in this thread if handed 150 guitars with a mandatory order of complete destruction wouldn't look for creative and fun ways to do it..like lining them up under an earthmover and crushing them, throwing them into giant shredders, lobbing them off the top story of a 100' tower, having sword fights in the back lot, building a pyre and torching, whatever.

I don't understand your analogy to food donations. It's completely different circumstances. Food can't be given away because of liability issues regarding the health/safety of the food. That doesn't apply to guitars.

You may not believe it, but donating those 150 guitars would be the very first thing I would think of doing. I benefited from a great music program that received very little funding. They relied on community support, and music teachers paying for things out of pocket. It would be a no brainer for me to donate instruments to such programs. My wife benefited from the same music classes. When I mentioned this video to her the first words out of her mouth were "Instead of donating them?!". So I think you're misled in your belief that everybody would just think about how to destroy them.

Gibson is certainly being "creative" in how they're destroying their public image though. After them going after other manufacturers, the cringey "be authentic" video, and now this, along with their overpriced mediocre guitars. They're not a company I'll ever support.

 

[Gaolee]

Plenty of good, usable parts wasted ! they could have been rewired to standard. I cannot see the logic of such waste !

Rewiring that many guitars takes time. They probably didn't want to hire the personnel necessary to rewire that many guitars.

I'm baffled by why they would bother to run over all those guitars with a track hoe when they could have just crushed them more privately. It's almost like they were publicly crushing Henry J's legacy. Maybe it's their way of taking a huge dump and passing as much Henry J residue out of their system as possible.

 

[user362432]

One more Italian went to ignore. Sorry for disruption of creative talk...

 

[Serious Ganja]

If the Firebird X was truly a POS, you don’t want it out in the wild tarnishing the Gibson brand while you’re rebuilding the company. The destruction of the instruments is probably an indicator of just how bad they were. That’s my guess.

Why not strip them of all useable parts?. Those bodies and necks could have been outfitted with proper parts to make those guitars valuable. Hell, sell them off in a stripped state at bargain pricing for those low budget do it yourselfer guys like me who could have our moment to celebrate the butchery we created. From one form of butchery to another.

 

[P. Aaron]

It's their relic department.

 

[Gaolee]

Some of us have missed our true calling
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Oh, can we look like that, too?

 

[Gaolee]

Hi folks

When I first saw the video (on the other Gibson thread) I posted:



And then I started to read this thread…

I found out that the guitars are not just simple guitars like we all know them.

They are full of outdated electronics and can' t be sold.


Of course I can understand the decision not to give them away!

A bad product is a bad product, even when it is a gift!


But you still have to take care, that your product will be recycled!



Bravo!

Metals, plastics, wood……... have to be seperated.

Electronics contain a variety of very expensive and rare raw materials. (e.g. copper!)

And they also contain certain highly toxic raw materials!

These have to be treated, separated and stocked adequately

Today we have companies that are specialized in separating and recyling everything!


The less work these companys have with separating the raw materials, the more they will pay you!

When you show up with a container full of metal you will get good money!

When you show up with a guitar, it becomes more complicated to separate the raw materials.

You have to pay something.



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And when you come with a container with everything mixed and shredded,

electronics in pieces ,woodsplinters, metal parts and plastics,

you will have a huge problem. They don' t have to take waste that can 't be separated and if they do,

it will cost you a fortune!


But what do I know about business? Probably nothing!



Somebody posted: It' s their guitars and they can do what they want…

No! They can' t! It' s not legal what they did!

By using an escavator shredding these guitars, they did not only lose money.

By shredding the electronics they created toxic waste!

They did noy do this in a facility, that is equiped for retaining dangerous substances.

Every production site where you work with toxic stuff has to be conform with the norms!!!

Gibson has a gravel yard outside!


They might get sued for this! They cannot even tell that they didn' t know!

Their own press release on Reverb talks about it!!!

But spending money for lawyers is always good business.


What do I know about business? Probably nothing!


greetings

Wise(b)ass

One of the ways electronics are recycled is by "ashing" the electronics. Then you extract the minerals you want and have a somewhat less toxic residue to deal with. None of us knows where the crushed bits went. They could have gone to an electronics recycle plant to be ashed and have the rare earths extracted. I'm not so sure there's much else there to recycle. The wood can't be turned into compost or pulp because of the finishes that are on it. The metals are insignificant enough that they aren't economically worth the effort. It's not like scrapping a car or even a refrigerator. The plastics are the same way.

If those were anything except Firebird X guitars, there may have been some salvage value. But, they are Firebird X guitars, so probably not. It's a pity, but they suck. I play Thunderbirds and other Gibson bass guitars. I would love to have a Firebird. A Firebird X? Nah. Crunch 'em.

 

[Gaolee]

"Crap" is subjective... 90% of what North Americans eat is Pure Crap for us Italians.

I don't like pasta at all. I don't like heavy sauce, and I'm mildly allergic to cow's milk and cow's milk cheese.

 

[Serious Ganja]

I don't like pasta at all. I don't like heavy sauce, and I'm mildly allergic to cow's milk and cow's milk cheese.

I love macaroni and cheese.

 

[Alkali Ike]

Yet another TB thread that’s beginning to generate more heat than light.

Has anybody started a pool yet for how many more posts there will be before the inevitable mod-lock comes down? I wanna get my $5 in.

Every conceivable opinion and point of view has been expressed. There’s nothing new left to say.

 

[40Hz]

Every conceivable opinion and point of view has been expressed. There’s nothing new left to say.

Nope. All that’s left are the digs and personal insults it seems.

 

[Serious Ganja]

Every conceivable opinion and point of view has been expressed. There’s nothing new left to say.

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Dont say that!, I havent started drinking and toking yet.

 

[Shanannigan]

I have one more thing, don't know if it's been said or not. But I've seen people say that they wouldn't be good to donate because the electronics were too complicated, etc for students. I disagree with that. Thinking back to being in high school, if we had one of these guitars kicking around we would have had a blast with it. Students are actually the perfect group for a guitar like this, they'd be more interested in experimenting with the possibilities.