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Gig last night ruined me.

My SansAmp RBI, along with my first Stingray5 are the two pieces of gear that changed me and my playing the most, ever. Don't know what specifical aspect about the guy's tone made such impression on you but I can bet the CONCISE yet THICK LOWEND delivery, the CRUNCH and a natural PUNCHY COMPRESSION might be coming from the SA. Not to demerit the Aggie, terrific amp of course and his bass of choice. But what makes (for me) the SansAmp paradigm that good is the sort of "mastered" tone it delivers, amazingly easy to record gnarly sounds out of with any range of basses (sample with Maruszczyk bass, sample with cheap DIY P+J kit build), and easily pairable with any loud clean amp, sort of "compatible"/"frendly" with a wide variety of them. The basses I currently use thru' it are Stingray5, Yammie BB615, Epiphone Viola and the aforementioned P+J kit build, so the price range is WIDE (from a mere 88 to some 1000+€). The BDDI/RBI makes them all shine, moreso at the picked hc/punk/metal game.

As a side note, a P bass (for my taste, the more "non-tame" the variety the better) plus a SansAmp pedal is the session rig of choice for MANY pro bassists. And it has some logic, you're taking your tone with you anywhere and plug in any amp/mixer/recorder/whatever, also you keep some control in your hands. The RBI I own is a rackmount unit so it doesn't come with me unless I take the whole rack (+wireless+tuner+SS head). But I still have a SA emulation inside a Zoom MS60B I got as a b'day gift from my wife a couple years ago. It's been my #1 gigging "preamp" eversince. I haven't even A/Bed it's with the real thing, don't care, it serves the same purpose with equal tweakability (plus I have 3 more FX slots to chain). I've gigged any amp no problem, just use the amp's EQ to adapt to room conditions (mostly kill resonances). If it's loud, low and tweakable enough it's OK with me. And that's why these days, except for the old trusty HA3500 head in my rack, everything else is Peavey (4 combos, 2 cabs).

I recently did a concert with a metal band I occasionally sub for and the bassist in the band doing soundcheck before us was the one sharing his 810 cab (a Classis Series head was paired to it, didn't care to check which, the cab was a chinese 810E I liked A LOT). When I plugged my RBI+HA3500 into the 810 the guy simply couldn't believe his cab could sound so wild. My SansAmp+HA3500 really push Ampeg cabs in a similar manner an SVT-CL (my fave) would, really does the trick to that point, but with even more control options. In the same way, I show up at serious gigs with this (300$?) rig, either with 1 or both combos, and it's always a blast to see some eyes wide open when I hit the first note.

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I don't know what the magic is but the last time I heard a P bass going through a 751, it too was the sweetest, most powerful and beautiful tone I'd ever heard.

One time was George Porter Jr. And the other was Garret Sayers on a Sadowsky pj. Both at the same venue, amps set up on different sides of the stage. Same results. Tonal Nirvana.

Get a 751.

Is Travis Carlton using a 751 in ? I think he sounds great!
Mike
 
I sound like me no matter what i play through or on...the tone and fullness changes some due to all components...amp ..cords...speaks..but i always sound like me..even if i go from fingers to pick only the attack changes..it kinda freaked me out for awhile but i stopped worrying about it.
 
In my brain, the largest gear-related difference is your active bass versus his passive p-bass.

Second, you were hearing his tone from out front, and with a band I’m assuming. For me, that tone is much different from what I hear when I’m on stage hearing an amp or monitor mix.

Could you borrow a p bass from someone and take a quick recording of your playing with your group? It may be useful to compare tones from both basses in an equal band setting.

Just my thoughts though - I know you’ll figure it out :)
 
I think his lack of anything MarkBass is his biggest advantage.....
I have a MarkBass and I found that my best tones achievable from the thing is when I run directly from bass to amp. If I hook in my pedalboard the amp just doesn't have it. My more robust gigs I use my GK800 into GK speakers. I use the pedalboard which seems to do the things I bought those pedals to do. Just my observation. In smaller venues I leave the pedals at home and its bass to Markbass....sigh.
 
I host a back line for a local open mic and since I'm below the average income level required to purchase 90% of what I'm told" I have to have" to play out I only have one rig, a mini-mega through a Hydrive 4x10.
Because of this, when I'm lucky, I get to spend a good part of my night sitting at the back of the room listening to my rig. Yes, it's true, I'm not playing, and I do give credence to the whole tone in the fingers thing, I still get a good idea of my sound out front.
On a side note: what amazes me is how many experienced bass players get up there and crank the bass and volume so loud I spend a good amount of time trying to control their volume. I've been at this a very short time compared to these guys and although they're skills are far beyond mine they appear clueless about managing their sound.
Point being, don't trust what you're hearing on stage. I find recordings provide the best insight.
Ok enough from the rookie, let's hear from those who know.
 
I've also found that running my Ampeg SCR-DI through the input seems to fatten up my gain structure too much and prefer to run it through the effects loop. Much better definition down low. Of course, I'm probably wrong, at least that's what the Mrs. has been telling me for years.
 
The Aguilar 751 has a three tube preamp and MOSFET poweramp. It is going to have a tube-y sound that you can't reproduce with a class D solid state. There are many times when I start lusting for a tube or hybrid head, but I know the price and inconvenience are obstacles I can't over come. It is like wanting a sports car; sure it would be nice to have, but I know it will never happen, so I don't bother thinking about it.
Personally, I've never been a fan of Markbass cabs, that that's just me. YMMV.
I didn't see you mention exactly which Sansamp pedal they were using. The most typical is the Bass Driver, but I know there are others. The BD is a well respected pedal that a lot of people use for as a preamp. I don't personally have a lot of experience with them.
 
I watch this at least once a month. So great start to finish. Nigel Hall killing on keys and Alecia Chakour adding some tasty backing vox. Love it. Pretty sure he has the Avalon next to his DB and a TH sitting on top.
Finally, someone else who liked that concert!
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I had it on my DVR and watched it regularly but then we went back to cable and I lost it. But, yeah, DB751(Edit: actually Aguilar has Ron's amp listed as a DB750), TH500, Avalon DI and the cab is miked! Who knows how he's getting that tone...except may him, the engineers and soundman. Could it be his Elixir strings or active Bassline pickups and preamp?.....Yeah, I looked up all his gear I could...I'm sick and need help.:help:
 
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We played last night and I brought my mesa 800+ and my markbass cl 108. Plugged my bongo 5HH into my vt bass and had volume that made me happy.
Next band goes on and bass player rolls out a small ampeg cab and sets a rack on it containing an aguilar 751. Plugs in his precision and has the best tone I have heard at this venue, I have done 100's of shows there.
Afterwords I go talk to him about it and he tells me it is the sansamp pedal he is running into the aggy. The 751 is set flat. I have used sansamp before at church gigs but I have never had a tone like that.
As soon as I woke up this morning and 4 hours later I am haunted by that tone. I don't know what to do.
It's got to be the 751, right?
What if right now he's thinking exactly the same thing about your tone? :jawdrop::nailbiting:
 
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