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Global Warming - It's Our Fault
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slobake
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There is a potential for serious enviromental and health hazards.
This from Wikipedia:
Hydraulic fracturing has raised environmental concerns and is challenging the adequacy of existing regulatory regimes. These concerns have included ground water contamination, risks to air quality, migration of gases and hydraulic fracturing chemicals to the surface, mishandling of waste, and the health effects of all these, as well as its contribution to raised atmospheric CO2 levels by enabling the extraction of previously-sequestered hydrocarbons Because hydraulic fracturing originated in the United States, its history is more extensive there than in other regions. Most environmental impact studies have therefore taken place there.
Several organizations, researchers, and media outlets have reported difficulty in conducting and reporting the results of studies on hydraulic fracturing due to industry and governmental pressure, and expressed concern over possible censoring of environmental reports. Concerns have been raised about the role of wealthy foundations in financing research that some have argued was designed to inflate the risks of development, and lobbying by the gas industry to promote its activities. The broader debate over these topics provides an example of the research challenges on this subject. Researchers have recommended requiring disclosure of all hydraulic fracturing fluids, testing animals raised near fracturing sites, and closer monitoring of environmental samples. After court cases concerning contamination from hydraulic fracturing are settled, the documents are sealed, and at least one recent case bears that out, while others believe it has and could lead to unnecessary risks to public safety and health The American Petroleum Institute denies that this practice has hidden problems with gas drilling.
It looks like information about fracking is being deliberately witheld. Why are court documents being sealed? The whole thing makes me suspicious. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist but this does look questionable.
Here is my source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing
Just another symptom of oil dependency. I think those resources could be put to better use by exploring and implementing alternative energy sources.
You may wish to consider for your response that pH is not the same as temperature.
Slobake covered most of the in-ground environment impacts except water usage. Fracking uses a lot of water in some fairly arid places.
It also means more carbon transferred from the geosphere into the atmosphere and those consequences.
Moreover, as a "solution" to energy independence, the very rapid decline rates of fracked wells hasn't been considered in the discussion. It appears to me that fracking will result in a short-term boost to energy supplies followed by a rapid decline.
Cracking is pretty big around here. I know people who's wells were contaminated do the gas company pays for bottled water. I'm not a fan.
There's a giant ball of burning hydrogen at the center of our solar system......absolutely nothing we do as human beings compares to that.
If the earth is hotter, it's because the sun is more active, if it's cooler, the sun is less active.......and it's literally as simple as that.
If the earth is hotter, it's because the sun is more active, if it's cooler, the sun is less active.......and it's literally as simple as that.
I live in Pennsylvania, where fracking is huge. I have a number of friends in the research world who have studied it. While I'm personally not educated enough on the subject to make a strong statement about it, from what I know, it's rather detrimental to the environment. One of my doctoral cohortmates is actually writing his dissertation on correlaries between the natural gas industry in Pennsylvania and its association with urban stagnation. He's using a lot of geographical information system (GIS) stuff and mapping trends over time - really cool stuff! (and also has some serious grant-potential, which is always nice in the research and academic world
)Anecdotally speaking, I do like some of the economic benefits that the gas industry seems to bring. My university has a highly-ranked safety science program. While it seems like many of the workers are imported from other states, particularly the Haliburton employees, a cursory examination of the job ads seems to indicate a demand for local safety engineers; so I like seeing our safety graduates having gigs waiting after they turn their tassels. But again, this is all anecdotal; I don't really know what an empirical investigation would reveal about the economic gains or losses of the gas industry being imbedded in PA.
Guess there's no need for any of the research, turn out the lights all you climatologists, your life's work has been broken down by a thread on TB, we see your scam with our super bass playing powers. Nth order models? Mean squared error? Kalman filtering? Covariance, correlation, non-independent variables? Who needs all that when we have qualitative anecdotal opinion to substitute for science. Thanks for clearing all that up, the gov't should give you a medal for saving untold thousands of wasted research dollars.
I live in Pennsylvania, where fracking is huge. I have a number of friends in the research world who have studied it. While I'm personally not educated enough on the subject to make a strong statement about it, from what I know, it's rather detrimental to the environment. One of my doctoral cohortmates is actually writing his dissertation on correlaries between the natural gas industry in Pennsylvania and its association with urban stagnation. He's using a lot of geographical information system (GIS) stuff and mapping trends over time - really cool stuff! (and also has some serious grant-potential, which is always nice in the research and academic world
Anecdotally speaking, I do like some of the economic benefits that the gas industry seems to bring. My university has a highly-ranked safety science program. While it seems like many of the workers are imported from other states, particularly the Haliburton employees, a cursory examination of the job ads seems to indicate a demand for local safety engineers; so I like seeing our safety graduates having gigs waiting after they turn their tassels. But again, this is all anecdotal; I don't really know what an empirical investigation would reveal about the economic gains or losses of the gas industry being imbedded in PA.
If I may ask, whereabouts in PA?
Sorry I forgot those who prefer to be willfully ignorant will pretend to miss the point for no other reason than an excuse to push their own agenda.
Please feel free to substitute your favorite form of personal transport for hummer and your favorite food for ribeye.
I used those examples because most reasonable people would recognize them as badges of rank for the upper crust. Those who feel the need to demonstrate their station to the world through the things they own and can afford that the average working class stiff cannot.
Personally the only use I would have for a civilian version of the hummer would be to put it up for sale and (hopefully) turn a profit off some poser who though such nonsense was too cool for school.
As for ribeye, I am a human being who has evolved to what many would consider the perfect example of a persistence hunter, the ideal organic machine for taking down fast moving animals through persistent harrying until said animal fatigues to the point I can overtake it and club it to death so it might be used as nourishment. And given the evolutionary shaping of my jaws and teeth into devices optimized for tearing and masticating muscle tissue, I'm an unapologetic meat eater and rib eye is my preferred form of meat, when I can afford it. I eat roots and berries and row crops as well because I am not simply a hunter but am also a gatherer so I obey my evolutionary imperative to eat a balanced diet.
But please, don't allow any opportunity pass to belittle someone who fails to neatly dovetail your life philosophy or dares express an opinion which fails to parrot your own.
More acid, lower Ph
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification
It's not just the Ph level but the rate of change. CO2 levels have been higher in the past but the rate of change has historically been much slower. Current rates are to quick for critters to evolve. Big problem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification
It's not just the Ph level but the rate of change. CO2 levels have been higher in the past but the rate of change has historically been much slower. Current rates are to quick for critters to evolve. Big problem.
slobake
resident ... something
Not one single documented case of that. Not one.
Half of you obviously don't even understand what fracking is.
By the way, we have been fracking since the 40s.
There are concerns about possible contamination by hydraulic fracturing fluid both as it is injected under high pressure into the ground and as it returns to the surface To mitigate the impact of hydraulic fracturing to groundwater, the well and ideally the shale formation itself should remain hydraulically isolated from other geological formations, especially freshwater aquifers. In 2009 state regulators from at least a dozen states have also stated that they have seen no evidence of the hydraulic fracturing process polluting drinking water. In May 2011, former U.S. EPA administrator Lisa Jackson (appointed by President Barack Obama) has said on at least two occasions that there is either no proven case of direct contamination by the hydraulic fracturing process, or that the EPA has never made a definitive determination of such contamination. By August 2011 there were at least 36 cases of suspected groundwater contamination due to hydraulic fracturing in the United States. In more recent congressional testimony in April 2013, Dr. Robin Ikeda, Deputy Director of Noncommunicable Diseases, Injury and Environmental Health at the CDC listed several sites where EPA had documented contamination.[In several cases EPA has determined that hydraulic fracturing was likely the source of the contamination.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing
I was simply pointing out that you formed a response to a post about pH with information about temperature.
For that matter, the post was about pH effects on shellfish and not temperature effects on fish in general. Shellfish can only form hard calcium carbonate shells under fairly specific pH conditions and pH levels in ocean water have become measureably more acidic. This is seen in the negative impacts to the oyster shellfish industry of Washington State for example.
