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Going into battle vs. distorted guitars

What pickup configuration would be your weapon of choice (see below)?

  • P

    Votes: 92 29.8%
  • J

    Votes: 36 11.7%
  • PJ

    Votes: 57 18.4%
  • H

    Votes: 35 11.3%
  • HH

    Votes: 61 19.7%
  • Other (e.g. PP, JH, PH, etc. etc.)

    Votes: 14 4.5%
  • The premise is flawed, you dope!

    Votes: 77 24.9%

  • Total voters
    309
Over the years I've mostly played with groups doing lighter rock, pop, acoustic, piano, etc. For the first time I'm now playing with a group with two distorted guitars and, whoo boy, my usual bag of tricks isn't cutting it yet. I still have some tinkering to do with my amp and EQ, so I haven't given up... but I am indulging some mental GAS exercises in case I need a Plan B ;)

What pickup configuration would be your weapon of choice, going into battle against two distorted guitars in modern/alt rock?

Like thermonuclear war the only way to win is not to play.
 
My recipe for optimal tone in most dual-distorted-guitar scenarios is active j-style bass, both pickups full on, clean and full-range bass tone, plenty of speaker cone area, and absurd amounts of clean solid solid-state wattage.
This has worked very well for me, too.
An active P/J also does well here--they typically have more honk to them, which gives a cut through the guitar din.
Of course, the Stingray was invented during the two distorted guitar era, so it's boom and sizzle fills in the gaps nicely.

As mentioned many times, mids are your friend. Find a frequency that fills in the mix, but also is clear.
I just heard "Rock You Like A Hurricane" tonight on classic rock radio, and Francis Buchholz' bass tone has a pretty solid low mid punch. Same with Eddie Jackson on Operation: Mindcrime. He had a more aggressive mid to upper mid cut to his tone, but it's easily heard without cranking up.
 
Over the years I've mostly played with groups doing lighter rock, pop, acoustic, piano, etc. For the first time I'm now playing with a group with two distorted guitars and, whoo boy, my usual bag of tricks isn't cutting it yet. I still have some tinkering to do with my amp and EQ, so I haven't given up... but I am indulging some mental GAS exercises in case I need a Plan B ;)

What pickup configuration would be your weapon of choice, going into battle against two distorted guitars in modern/alt rock?

Just make sure the guitars cut their low end and leave the low mids to you
Good luck with that, but if they're interested in sounding good they will and you'll sound just fine
 
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Over the years I've mostly played with groups doing lighter rock, pop, acoustic, piano, etc. For the first time I'm now playing with a group with two distorted guitars and, whoo boy, my usual bag of tricks isn't cutting it yet. I still have some tinkering to do with my amp and EQ, so I haven't given up... but I am indulging some mental GAS exercises in case I need a Plan B ;)

What pickup configuration would be your weapon of choice, going into battle against two distorted guitars in modern/alt rock?

it’s not the bass that’s going to make a difference. The right amp and speakers will. An amp with a well defined EQ section, enough speaker area, with efficient cabs will work wonders.
 
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The premise is flawed, but it sounds like you already know that. It's not a battle. Remember why you're there: the audience. Except for musicians in the audience, they're not usually there to listen to one instrument (and if they are it's probably not the bass). Step back from your role and think about what you want the band to sound like. What kind of bass sound is part of that band sound? The first clue you get is the kind of songs your band plays. What do the players in those bands play? Where do they fit in the mix? There are some bands where the bass isn't intended to stand out and doesn't. It adds subtly and supports what the others are doing. There's nothing wrong with combining with one or more other instruments to create a whole that's greater than the sum of its parts (for example, string bass + Fender bass + tic tac bass, but the same principle can apply with a bass and one or more guitars). In that context the last thing you want is to make your instrument's voice cut through the mix. The fulfillment comes from being a good ensemble player. For other bands, the bass plays a more upfront rhythmic or melodic role. Figure out what those players are doing and learn to cop that. For what it's worth, I like STP and Foo Fighters, but when I listen to either one I don't think first about the bass. I'd be shooting more for a supporting, propelling role than a cutting through approach.

If making your tone heard is an important factor, don't compete. Figure out where the guitars are centered in the frequency spectrum and be somewhere else. If you're trying to compete with the guitars where they live, the whole thing turns into a bigger mess, the audience's ears bleed, and no one gets heard (especially the vocals, which is a bummer for the audience). For instance, if the guitars are heavy from 400-800 hz, maybe you want a little low-mid scoop so your sound comes deep with a little tang at 1-2k. If the guitars are scooped and booming in the sub-lows, focus your sound where they scoop. Don't get drastic with the knobs. Make slight adjustments and try subtracting before you try adding (depends on how your EQ is configured of course). And you're thinking in the right direction with instrument and pickup selection before resorting to EQ: if the best place for you is in the mids, play a p-bass and ride the tone control to see where it fits best. If everyone else is in the mids, a j-bass configuration can put you over and under them in the mix.

The attack and decay of your tone is also really important. The reason many of us use compressors is that the bass is capable of putting out a great deal of attack - typically more than a guitar. You can take advantage of this by, for instance, using flats and a mute (which it sounds like you are already ready for). As counter intuitive as this may sound, getting rid of the sustain accentuates the front of the note in a way that sounds different from the guitars and will stand out not through EQ but through the shape of the notes. It may be the same gear setup as for the light pop gig, but using a different approach with your mind and hands. Playing with a relatively stiff pick can do something similar with either flats or rounds.

if you're playing fingerstyle, make sure you're not just smashing the strings into the frets in order to cut through, because this tends to backfire. Using good conventional technique by plucking through the string and coming to rest on the next string gives your notes a thick attack that's bolstered by the near-simultaneous dead note of your finger coming to rest on the next string. This technique is well-illustrated in Chuck Rainey's first method book. Alternately, you might develop a technique that actually relies on the impact of the string into the frets, punk rock style. Whatever the approach, make it deliberate. Think about the shape of your notes - how they start, where the emphasis is, and where they end, and how that shape melds or contrasts with the other instruments.

Whatever your technique, the setup and action of your bass matters too. If your neck is too flat and your strings too low it's hard to get a punchy sound. Thoughtful EQ can help but can't fix tone that isn't there to start with.

Best of luck here. These situations can be tough to figure out, but some careful listening and thoughtful planning can make things better for the band as a whole and for your personal satisfaction.
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Over the years I've mostly played with groups doing lighter rock, pop, acoustic, piano, etc. For the first time I'm now playing with a group with two distorted guitars and, whoo boy, my usual bag of tricks isn't cutting it yet. I still have some tinkering to do with my amp and EQ, so I haven't given up... but I am indulging some mental GAS exercises in case I need a Plan B ;)

What pickup configuration would be your weapon of choice, going into battle against two distorted guitars in modern/alt rock?
I saw Epica at the Regent last Sunday and their bass player was cutting through real well with a Dingwall T-Bird and some sort of thick fuzz.
 
Over the years I've mostly played with groups doing lighter rock, pop, acoustic, piano, etc. For the first time I'm now playing with a group with two distorted guitars and, whoo boy, my usual bag of tricks isn't cutting it yet. I still have some tinkering to do with my amp and EQ, so I haven't given up... but I am indulging some mental GAS exercises in case I need a Plan B ;)

What pickup configuration would be your weapon of choice, going into battle against two distorted guitars in modern/alt rock?

Depends on how heavy you're looking for, but you can try two things:

1) split your bass signal - one side where you distort your treble, the other where you keep your bass, and then mix them back together into a mid-scooped smiley face. Darkglass is your friend.
2) Tell the guitarists to stay in their own frequency lane and stop paving over you in the low-mids. A smart guitarist realizes that the more distortion you use, the less bass you should have in your signal, or your sound becomes a muddy flabby mess (i.e. for a good John Petrucci-esque tone, your gain should be around 1 o'clock and your bass almost off (~2). You'll then add a bit of bass back to the signal in post preamp-EQ).
 
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If slicing and dicing through a mix with some punch is your main concern, it's hard to beat a Ray.... or Bongo.... with the single H. The sweet spot is not exactly in the bridge position, but close. At the risk of further cementing my position as an HPF disciple, try one of those. Bye bye mud. Hello punch. Works every time it's tried.
I’m a jazz tone fan. But my band mix seems to prefer a ray. I actually had to “learn” to like my SR5 ( single H ). ‘cuz folks were upset when I talked about selling it.
 
P bass with a pick will kind of ping it's way through the mix if you want a cleaner bass tone or add some fuzz and just melt into the bottom end of the guitars so it sounds like a huge angry guitar. You won't cut through but the band as a whole will sound heavier.
 
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P bass with a pick will kind of ping it's way through the mix if you want a cleaner bass tone or add some fuzz and just melt into the bottom end of the guitars so it sounds like a huge angry guitar. You won't cut through but the band as a whole will sound heavier.

I've heard Ps with picks vanish too as it can add top end that's still stomped on by loud, distorted guitars.

I'll repeat the point that often classic guitar tracks don't have as much distortion as people think, partly because they also have less bass so the distortion goes further. Often classic tracks also have overdriven bass when you'd think it was clean. A while back I listened to some of my own folk rock stuff and was surprised that I had been using an overdriven tone in something as 'cultured' and 'sedate', but listen to early Ashley Hutchings and it's pretty raw at the start of the genre!
 
Over the years I've mostly played with groups doing lighter rock, pop, acoustic, piano, etc. For the first time I'm now playing with a group with two distorted guitars and, whoo boy, my usual bag of tricks isn't cutting it yet. I still have some tinkering to do with my amp and EQ, so I haven't given up... but I am indulging some mental GAS exercises in case I need a Plan B ;)

What pickup configuration would be your weapon of choice, going into battle against two distorted guitars in modern/alt rock?
I play in a band like that and my favorite bass has two reverse P pickups I believe (I’m not 100% positive because they are inside a shell) but to be honest I have multiple basses with different style pickups and I think using an overdrive (I use the darkglass microtubes X) really helps me cut through better no matter which bass im playing. If you don’t like gritty bass tones another option is to get your bandmates to hi pass the guitars to get them out of your frequency range some so the bass can sit underneath them instead of trying to punch right through them. Also our Rhythm guitarist uses a fractal axe fx based rig and I think that helps especially with lower tunings (they tune down to B and A) the mix sounds a lot better than his Mesa dual rec did because it’s a more focused sound that doesn’t walk all over the bass frequency range. I’m betting the axe fx is also acting as a hi pass filter and tightening up the low end of the guitar a lot.