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Going old school

I had a love-hate relationship with my '64 for years.

I loved the way it felt and the way the tone sat in a mix, but there were little things that bugged me. I didn't like the dead spot on the G string, upper fret access was restricted (I was a soloing fool back then), it was head-heavy, and it didn't have quite enough sustain for slow ballads- I always had to keep a compressor in my gig bag.

Since nothing else seemed to work quite as well on the gig, I became obsessed with the idea of a "super P"- sticking close to the traditional Fender formula, but with exotic hardwoods, better balance, a set neck or a neck-through and a deeper cutaway. A few years later, a fifth string became part of my wish list.

20 years later, I'm playing my dreamboat. With an EMG 40P5 in the neck, it's voiced like a P-bass, and can pass for one at times. The lockdown bridge, harder body wood and a solid neck joint improved the sustain and created a more even response across the fingerboard, just like I'd always imagined.

The funny thing is that I've come to realize that each "improvement" comes at a cost. It turns out that the wonky decay characteristics and other imperfections of Leo's design are part and parcel of that organic P-bass punch. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking my "hot rod". For the music I play most of the time, it's a step up from my old P. But after extensive tinkering with pickups and the rest of my signal chain, I've come to accept that it will always be a little too "polite" and compressed-sounding for some situations.

If I was back to playing straight ahead guitar-dominated rock, my coffee table bass would be tucked away in a closet, and I'd be back to a bone-stock P-bass in a flash.

Bring it all on- the neck held on with wood screws, the delicate nitro finish, a vintage bridge w/floppy threaded saddles, neck dive from vintage elephant ear tuners, the whole shebang. That setup seems to come together in a way that nothing else ever has for me...
 
great story.
i find it funny how many people stray away from an original p 'bass's classic tone by buying into the 'better bridge' and 'better pickups' mentality thinking that they're 'improving' or 'upgrading' it, only to find out later that the bass was great stock, and really needed nothing changed in the first place.

I think the OP's good sound is largely from the TI flats.

When I was trying different split-P pickups one of the best bass sounds I've ever gotten was with TIJF34s and a rewound split-P pickup in a plywood test bass. I was very excited, then I moved the pickup to my "real" bass which had DT760FMs and it just didn't cut it...tolerable/ok at best.

I've since given up on split-P pickups and moved on to single coils.
 
OK - here are some pics.
 

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GlennW - I dunno - While the TI Flats sound great, I think the bass itself sounds good - there's just something about the placement of the split-coil P that has "that" sound to it.

Don't get me wrong - I love the sound of the single coils in my '69 Jazz (and the Bartolinis in my Roscoe) - they each speak with their own individual voice - one not better than the other, but each different and wonderful in its own right.

I think the OP's good sound is largely from the TI flats.

When I was trying different split-P pickups one of the best bass sounds I've ever gotten was with TIJF34s and a rewound split-P pickup in a plywood test bass. I was very excited, then I moved the pickup to my "real" bass which had DT760FMs and it just didn't cut it...tolerable/ok at best.

I've since given up on split-P pickups and moved on to single coils.
 
My wife asked me if I wanted a J bass for the holidays, I told her I was afraid that i was going to have to choose between the two and I didnt want to have to do that to my P bass. It just always sounds the way I want the bass to sound and I dont have to worry about anything. Sometimes I dont even bring a backup bass, actually I have been doing that a lot lately :(
 
I had a love-hate relationship with my '64 for years...The funny thing is that I've come to realize that each "improvement" comes at a cost. It turns out that the wonky decay characteristics and other imperfections of Leo's design are part and parcel of that organic P-bass punch................

I really enjoyed your post. Thanks.

I especially liked, and agree with, the comment about improvements. It's usually a give and take proposition.
 
+1k Both my P basses are dead-stock (a 64 with flats and C-neck and a 79 with rounds and A-neck). They sound and feel VERY different, but equally awesome. They are the best basses I have (and I have way too many ;-)

Congrats on finding your way back to the classic, old-school P-heaven :-)
 
GlennW - I dunno - While the TI Flats sound great, I think the bass itself sounds good - there's just something about the placement of the split-coil P that has "that" sound to it.

Don't get me wrong - I love the sound of the single coils in my '69 Jazz (and the Bartolinis in my Roscoe) - they each speak with their own individual voice - one not better than the other, but each different and wonderful in its own right.

I wasn't implying that your bass wouldn't sound good with different strings; just relating one of my experiences where the TI flats could "make or break (in their absence)" a pickup.

It's a beauty, btw.
 
Back in 1978 I got a brand new sunburst P-bass (traded a Telecaster Custom and a Gibson Ripper for it) and used it as my axe for thousands of gigs through the '80s. I did all the usual '80s and '90s mods - first a Di Marzio, then a Badass bridge and an EMG active pickup.

Last week I got it out of its case for the first time in a number of years and decided to take it back to its roots - I still had the original pickup (by some miracle) so I stuck that back in, and put on a used '70s bridge, and strung it up with TI flats (probably the first flat wounds I've ever bought, aside from upright) and damn - the thing sounds great! Definitely road worn - the real road not some ersatz relic-ing, but heck - it feels like coming home. Those old guys knew something, didn't they?

Welcome home.
 

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