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Good 18" + cab?

#23
James Hart said:
which IS NOT an 18" and was never going to be... and the JBL K series aren't known as being very 'deep' drivers anyway.

If the Acme's work for you, great. I almost bought some too... but at the end of the day, MY ideal is an 18" plus a couple of 12" and NO tweeters. Many (as you may) dread the thought of using my rig.... we all have our own voices.
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A 1820 is my dream cab, but I havent found one in the bay area yet :(

Im basically trying to get my parents to kick me out of the house :D
 
#24
BassmanPaul said:
Tell me why on earth, in this day and age, would you want to play through an 18" speaker? I am really interested in your reasoning.

Thanks
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Why wouldn't you? What is it about an 18" driver that is inferior to a 10" driver (which I'm assuming you mean as you're talking about Acme B2s).
 
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James the comparision was an analogy, nothing more. Geoff the reason is response time, an 18 is so slow to respond and most will still not reach down to 30Hz. Incidentally my first amp, in the sixties, was a Vox Foundation. 50W Head into a Tannoy 18. I got rid of it as soon as I could afford to do so
 
#31
BassmanPaul said:
Geoff the reason is response time, an 18 is so slow to respond and most will still not reach down to 30Hz.
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Incorrect. Motor size and inductance as well as box design and tuning have far more to do with perceived 'speed' which is really a moot term for an obviously LF driver which needs to be crossed above to something else. Most 10's and 12's will get nowhere near 30Hz either at anything like a decent SPL as they lack sufficuent volume displacement to do so, and when you push a small driver to a lot of excursion, it will distort far worse (given an equivalent quality of design) than a larger driver which is moving less.

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#34
“Look at PA subs.”

I’ve often wondered what the difference is? (From the bass player’s point of view.)

“Currently I'm running a Peavey 1820 with an 18" and 2x10" in the same box.”

I’ve been considering one of these. How do you like it? Do you get used to the weight?

“I have one of these and it can pummel into toothpicks any floor of a stage that isn't built like a tank:”

Holy deepend Batman! What on earth is that spectacular cabinet?

“Many (as you may) dread the thought of using my rig.... we all have our own voices.”

Not me James. I think we’re on the same page.
 
#35
pedro said:
“Look at PA subs.”

I’ve often wondered what the difference is? (From the bass player’s point of view.)
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nothing IMHO. bins or scoops or whatever you call them are longer throw than most stages need... but front firing 1x18" PA subs are just like a bass cab

pedro said:
“Currently I'm running a Peavey 1820 with an 18" and 2x10" in the same box.”

I’ve been considering one of these. How do you like it? Do you get used to the weight?
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well... my head is 100lbs itself. A $40 hand truck pays for itself in one move IMHO ;)


pedro said:
“Many (as you may) dread the thought of using my rig.... we all have our own voices.”

Not me James. I think we’re on the same page.
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Cool... I've never been happier with where my tone has come too
 
#37
"well... my head is 100lbs itself. A $40 hand truck pays for itself in one move IMHO"

The 1820 cabinet I'm looking at is for sale pretty cheap. But yea the weight scares me. Accordingly I keep getting cold feet and start to think about a seperate 1x18 + 2x10.

"Cool... I've never been happier with where my tone has come too"

I'm pretty much a ham and egger. We play 60-70's r&b and soul. I'm fairly happy with my GK700RB but my SWR 2x10 just ain't going to be enough.
 
#40
James Hart said:
nothing IMHO. bins or scoops or whatever you call them are longer throw than most stages need...
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Actually, any bass bin that's got a low cutoff point is usually too large for the typical club stage anyway that horn needs to be large if its actually contributing output at the lowest frequencies. But "throw" as applied to dispersion patterns maybe hasn't so much to do with their non-use typically even though bassists ARE used to hearing the non-directional lows nature of direct radiators. The things are just to large for most people, if they are actually acting as horn-loaded at the lower frequencies.

but front firing 1x18" PA subs are just like a bass cab
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Decent subwoofers usually don't have to pretend to be full-range drivers, so they are often better drivers as far as power-handling, xmax, extension in a given cabinet volume, etc. What's usually chosen for bass cabs may be more sensitive, but because of the other concerns usually is not capable of great low frequency output for extended periods because of lesser thermal and displacement limits, and often is tuned for a mid-bass hump because low extension is not practical with such a driver in that box size.

Horses for courses.
 

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