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Just for kicks I looked up Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp a Butterfly, the Best Rap Album of the year. Here's a list of all the writing and producing credits:


1. "Wesley's Theory"(featuring George Clinton and Thundercat)
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • George Clinton
  • Steven Ellison
  • Ronald "Flippa" Colson
  • Stephen Bruner
  • Boris Gardiner
  • Flying Lotus
  • Flippa
  • Sounwave[a]
  • Thundercat[a]
2. "For Free? (Interlude)"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Terrace Martin
  • Rose McKinney
  • Martin

3. "King Kunta"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Bruner
  • Johnny Burns
  • Michael Jackson
  • Ahmad Lewis
  • Stefan Gordy
  • James Brown
  • Fred Wesley
  • John Starks
  • Sounwave
  • Martin[a]
4. "Institutionalized"(featuring Bilal, Anna Wise and Snoop Dogg)
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Columbus Smith
  • Fredrik Halldin
  • Sam Barsh
  • Rahki
  • Tommy Black
5. "These Walls"(featuring Bilal, Anna Wise and Thundercat)
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Martin
  • Larrance Dopson
  • James Fauntleroy
  • McKinney
  • Martin
  • 1500 or Nothin'
  • Sounwave[a]
6. "u"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Taz "Ti$a" Arnold
  • Michael "Whoarei" Brown
  • Arnold
  • Whoarei
  • Sounwave[a]
7. "Alright"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Pharrell Williams
  • Mark Spears
  • Williams
  • Sounwave
8. "For Sale? (Interlude)"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Arnold
  • Arnold
  • Sounwave[a]
  • Martin[a]
9. "Momma"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Glen Boothe
  • Arnold
  • Sylvester Stewart
  • Lalah Hathaway
  • Rahsaan Patterson
  • Rex Rideout
  • Knxwledge
  • Arnold
10. "Hood Politics"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Bruner
  • Sufjan Stevens
  • Tae Beast
  • Sounwave
  • Thundercat
11. "How Much a Dollar Cost" (featuring James Fauntleroy and Ronald Isley)
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Martin
  • Josef "LoveDragon" Leimberg
  • McKinney
  • Fauntleroy
  • Ronald Isley
  • LoveDragon
12. "Complexion (A Zulu Love)" (featuringRapsody)
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Bruner
  • Marlanna Evans
  • Thundercat
  • Sounwave
  • Martin[a]
  • The Antydote[a]
13. "The Blacker the Berry"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Matthew Samuels
  • Stephen Kozmeniuk
  • Ken Lewis
  • Brent Kolatalo
  • Jefferey Campbell
  • Alexander "Jesứs" Izquierdo
  • Zale Epstein
  • Boi-1da
  • KOZ
  • Martin
14. "You Ain't Gotta Lie (Momma Said)"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Martin
  • LoveDragon
15. "i"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Columbus Smith
  • Isley
  • O'Kelly Isley, Jr.
  • Ernie Isley
  • Marvin Isley
  • Rudolph Isley
  • Christopher Jasper
  • Rahki
16. "Mortal Man"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Bruner
  • Fela Anikulapo Kuti
  • Tupac Shakur

That fraction of a penny in royalties they talked about last night sure won't go far with dividing it up and paying all these people.
 
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He was calling attention to his rings, like it was supposed to mean something. Is he 14 years old or something?
Tolerance is over-rated.

Oh dear, he'll be 25 next week.
I guess I was the only one who was annoyed by the "gangsta" posing.

Not at all, that turned me off completely; I don't need to see someone posing and flashing rings. It's one reason that I dislike rap; I don't have much use for music that has no melody unless I'm at a performance of Stomp (I've seen it, mega-cool) And the gangsta/thug thing repulses me. If they want to play to that audience, it's their choice.

The other aspect of it is that I can't make out a single word the rappers are saying. Kendrick Lamar's performance made less sense to me than listening to a wheel bearing click on my car. At least the click tells me there's a wheel bearing going out. I guess the guys in the jail cells next to him were full of meaning and social comment, but it doesn't convey much if the whole thing is incomprehensible.

The 12-year-old is fantastic. I saw a nice feature on him recently either on CBS Sunday Morning (recommended viewing to all) or on 60 Minutes. I think it was the AM show. We'll be hearing that kid for a long, long time...he's something special.
 
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Not at all, that turned me off completely; I don't need to see someone posing and flashing rings. It's one reason that I dislike rap; I don't have much use for music that has no melody unless I'm at a performance of Stomp (I've seen it, mega-cool) And the gangsta/thug thing repulses me. If they want to play to that audience, it's their choice.

Joey Alexander is exceptional and only 12 years old. Imagine what he will be like in 10 more years.



 
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This is what happens when performers like Adele are placed on this Neo-queen of soul pedestal. Under pressure, it's either great or a wet fart. Gaga on the other hand is a true performer and I can't say I've ever seen her fail to deliver. All Adele has to do is sing her best. Gaga sings her best and brings much more to the table performance wise. It's no wonder they trust her with the better material. I'm not knocking Adele, she's a great singer, just not quite as multi faceted as Gaga. Vocal timbre is debatable.

She normally performs superlatively and puts in incredibly impressive emotional and technical performances on the biggest occasions.

She had a bad night, nothing more.
 
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks they are good. Considering the calculated, focus group tested, prefab crap that much of the popular music is these days, I find them refreshing. First saw them on Later with Jules Holland about a year and a half ago.

Have not watched the rest of the Grammys yet.
My wife and I saw them live last spring and they were great. Sound & Color is a step forward, I think they're successfully shedding the revivalist tag. But Don't Wanna Fight No More is a pretty repetitive song; as my wife (who loves them) said, this isn't a song that really showcases their abilities.
 
The other aspect of it is that I can't make out a single word the rappers are saying. Kendrick Lamar's performance made less sense to me as listening to a wheel bearing click on my car, but had less meaning. At least the click tells me there's a wheel bearing going out. I guess the guys in the jail cells next to him were full of meaning and social comment, but it doesn't convey much if the whole thing is incomprehensible.

I really dislike rap but I have to say that when the kids were young they would sit in the back of the car and when these types of songs came on with the machine gun lyrics flying at you they knew every....single.....word!
 
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I only saw one performance- Kendrick Lamar- and it blew my mind.

I would've been ashamed to admit that a dozen years ago, but my shame function broke.
Good on ya! I saw that, and I saw him on Colbert not too long ago. I'm digesting his previous album, Good kid maad city, now. I think he's one of the most exciting artists to hit the mainstream in quite a while.
 
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I really dislike rap but I have to say that when the kids were young they would sit in the back of the car and when these types of songs came on with the machine gun lyrics flying at you they knew every....single.....word!

I confess that back in the 60's, I never knew half the lyrics to the rock songs that were being played either. Perhaps it's just not one of my strengths. I can hear the lyrics from bands like the Eagles, Moody Blues, Steve Miller...that kind of thing. But not machine-gun fast, and never unless the gain is managed well between vocals and music.
 
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Not at all, that turned me off completely; I don't need to see someone posing and flashing rings.

I was a little surprised his dad let him pull that. O'Shea Jr. has zero experience with "thug life", but O'Shea Sr. has been displaced from it so long, I guess it doesn't matter to him any more.
It shouldn't bother me, but it did. As far as Ice goes, I much prefer Ice T.
 
Just for kicks I looked up Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp a Butterfly, the Best Rap Album of the year. Here's a list of all the writing and producing credits:


1. "Wesley's Theory"(featuring George Clinton and Thundercat)
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • George Clinton
  • Steven Ellison
  • Ronald "Flippa" Colson
  • Stephen Bruner
  • Boris Gardiner
  • Flying Lotus
  • Flippa
  • Sounwave[a]
  • Thundercat[a]
2. "For Free? (Interlude)"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Terrace Martin
  • Rose McKinney
  • Martin

3. "King Kunta"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Bruner
  • Johnny Burns
  • Michael Jackson
  • Ahmad Lewis
  • Stefan Gordy
  • James Brown
  • Fred Wesley
  • John Starks
  • Sounwave
  • Martin[a]
4. "Institutionalized"(featuring Bilal, Anna Wise and Snoop Dogg)
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Columbus Smith
  • Fredrik Halldin
  • Sam Barsh
  • Rahki
  • Tommy Black
5. "These Walls"(featuring Bilal, Anna Wise and Thundercat)
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Martin
  • Larrance Dopson
  • James Fauntleroy
  • McKinney
  • Martin
  • 1500 or Nothin'
  • Sounwave[a]
6. "u"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Taz "Ti$a" Arnold
  • Michael "Whoarei" Brown
  • Arnold
  • Whoarei
  • Sounwave[a]
7. "Alright"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Pharrell Williams
  • Mark Spears
  • Williams
  • Sounwave
8. "For Sale? (Interlude)"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Arnold
  • Arnold
  • Sounwave[a]
  • Martin[a]
9. "Momma"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Glen Boothe
  • Arnold
  • Sylvester Stewart
  • Lalah Hathaway
  • Rahsaan Patterson
  • Rex Rideout
  • Knxwledge
  • Arnold
10. "Hood Politics"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Bruner
  • Sufjan Stevens
  • Tae Beast
  • Sounwave
  • Thundercat
11. "How Much a Dollar Cost" (featuring James Fauntleroy and Ronald Isley)
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Martin
  • Josef "LoveDragon" Leimberg
  • McKinney
  • Fauntleroy
  • Ronald Isley
  • LoveDragon
12. "Complexion (A Zulu Love)" (featuringRapsody)
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Bruner
  • Marlanna Evans
  • Thundercat
  • Sounwave
  • Martin[a]
  • The Antydote[a]
13. "The Blacker the Berry"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Matthew Samuels
  • Stephen Kozmeniuk
  • Ken Lewis
  • Brent Kolatalo
  • Jefferey Campbell
  • Alexander "Jesứs" Izquierdo
  • Zale Epstein
  • Boi-1da
  • KOZ
  • Martin
14. "You Ain't Gotta Lie (Momma Said)"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Martin
  • LoveDragon
15. "i"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Columbus Smith
  • Isley
  • O'Kelly Isley, Jr.
  • Ernie Isley
  • Marvin Isley
  • Rudolph Isley
  • Christopher Jasper
  • Rahki
16. "Mortal Man"
  • Kendrick Lamar
  • Bruner
  • Fela Anikulapo Kuti
  • Tupac Shakur
I think this list is so long partly because rappers like Kendrick have swung the pendulum so far the other way from the 1980s in terms of crediting samples. (Granted, case law is one big reason for that.) So samples that aren't even used for an entire section (verse or chorus or whatever) sometimes get songwriting credits--that's why you see all the Isley brothers, James Brown, George Clinton, Sufjan Stevens, etc. on the list.

Also, there's so much going on in his music that there's bound to be a lot of credits, although I'm sure he writes the vast majority of the lyrics. I'm gonna start calling it prog rap.
 
I was amazed that Gaga wasn't totally out of breath at the end of her medley. I liked the set.
Yeah, I thought she did a good job with it. I would have preferred if they'd focused on just, say, three of his songs and performed bigger pieces of them rather than a breathless medley, but she did well.
 
I think this list is so long partly because rappers like Kendrick have swung the pendulum so far the other way from the 1980s in terms of crediting samples. (Granted, case law is one big reason for that.) So samples that aren't even used for an entire section (verse or chorus or whatever) sometimes get songwriting credits--that's why you see all the Isley brothers, James Brown, George Clinton, Sufjan Stevens, etc. on the list.

Also, there's so much going on in his music that there's bound to be a lot of credits, although I'm sure he writes the vast majority of the lyrics. I'm gonna start calling it prog rap.

Good point. I'm not that familiar with him. The music sounds pretty deep. I'm just not that interested in what's going on on top of it.
 
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