I was told from a very reliable resource that Hadrien was let go more because of a maturity issue and a drinking problem. He's young guy just enjoying life maybe a bit too much. I know for a fact JM loved Hadrien's playing, fast solo, grooving and all. I'd imagine John just needed a change. I saw the JM tour with Hadrien and have the DVD of the latter part of the tour with Dominique. The DP show was just boring compared to what Hadrien brought to the band and I love DP's playing.
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Hadrien Faraud No Longer With MacLaughlin
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Yeah, that's what I figured too. A new project and JM was after a new sound/lineup. I wouldn't have thought that Hadrien was "fired" any more than DiPiazza or Matthew Garrison were "fired"... or were they?
Only if you choose to read it that way. I didn't.
I get and keep gigs on the local level for similar reasons. Yes others can constantly display chops galore. I tend to focus on making the band, whichever band it is, better. It's funny how much difficulty many of my peers have with that seemingly simple concept.
I'm not saying that's what happened with JM. I wasn't there. In reference to fit in general, I have seen IRL cats who could burn through changes on songs they've played a thousand times but couldn't dial it back and play a relatively simple groove.
I saw on another thread where it was said that blues was the easiest music to learn or something to that effect (I'm paraphrasing). It isn't if you can't feel it.
Lots of things seem easy until you try and fail to do them.
Hadrien is one of my friend, it's difficult to me to read that.
And Brad
I never said that one music was easier than another and like you, my pleasure is to give the better for a group and his music, but not against my music expression.
And for the MP3.
i post it to see and i saw.
Hadrien is one of my friend, it's difficult to me to read that.
Me too. I'm not sure what the point of repeating that story was.
And Brad
I never said that one music was easier than another and like you, my pleasure is to give the better for a group and his music, but not against my music expression.
And for the MP3.
i post it to see and i saw.
I never said you did.
Did you understand my basic point? I said : "In reference to fit in general...".
It's the great thing an old man with a bad english, sorry i don't always read in the good way, it's rather difficult to talk of musical concept in another language.
sorry
sorry
i think the dude can seriously play and i'm always entertained by him, but if you want sideman work, you have to accept that you can't do things your way all the time. the only other alternative is to go solo. he could do it and probably make a good living if he wrote some good songs and put together an act. but when you work for the man, you have to make compromises. and if i were in hadrien's shoes, i'd play whatever they asked me and make as much money as i could, and do my own thing on my own time. not like you don't shine in a band like mclaughlin's even if he tells you to tone it down sometimes.
it sucks getting canned but i don't think it'll hurt him too badly. i think he needed a shot like this. a humbling moment can be the kick in the ass you need if you take it the right way. i hope he does. he seems like a bright kid. maybe a little too intense for his own good, but hey, been there done that. but unlike me, he's leaving a lot of potential cash on the table.
it sucks getting canned but i don't think it'll hurt him too badly. i think he needed a shot like this. a humbling moment can be the kick in the ass you need if you take it the right way. i hope he does. he seems like a bright kid. maybe a little too intense for his own good, but hey, been there done that. but unlike me, he's leaving a lot of potential cash on the table.
This is a great point. I feel extremely fortunate to have come up with some very blunt and no-bullspit musos who has NO problem with telling me when I sounded like crap, overplayed, didn't understand what I was doing, etc. It was always constructive but NEVER gentle. It shamed me, embarrassed the crap out of me, and most importantly got my butt in the woodshed.
Nowadays I crave that type of honest feedback. I'd LOVE to know if someone thought I could improve in certain areas as it would only make me a better player. I think a lot of damage is done to younger players when they're constantly patted on the back for their technical ability but yet aren't encouraged to focus more on feel and supporting the music. Just this night I played with a phenomenal young drummer with awesome chops, but who got a little too excited at times and played over the singer frequently. I told him to watch out for that and make sure he could ALWAYS here the vocalist/frontperson, after I told him what a bad mofo he was on the drums of course.
Only if you choose to read it that way. I didn't.
I get and keep gigs on the local level for similar reasons. Yes others can constantly display chops galore. I tend to focus on making the band, whichever band it is, better. It's funny how much difficulty many of my peers have with that seemingly simple concept.
I'm not saying that's what happened with JM. I wasn't there. In reference to fit in general, I have seen IRL cats who could burn through changes on songs they've played a thousand times but couldn't dial it back and play a relatively simple groove.
I saw on another thread where it was said that blues was the easiest music to learn or something to that effect (I'm paraphrasing). It isn't if you can't feel it.
Lots of things seem easy until you try and fail to do them.
+10000. I'm in the same boat and I find it EXTREMELY challenging to maintain the zen-like focus that it takes to zero in on a groove/song and make it sound as good as it possibly could. Irrespective of how many notes I'm playing, or if my parts are going to inspire jealousy in local players over my incendiary chops. VERY difficult with a HUGE payoff in gigs.
As to the blues thing, I can't tell you how many times I've called guys on that who said they could play old-school delta blues because 'that sh#$'s simple man', only to hear them plod through some pentatonic tripe with a mechanical feel.
I'm not adding anything more to the HF discussion but to the global discussion here.
Lee Sklar said something to the likes of "I love the role of bass in music". That really had an impact on me.
Am I glad people like Jaco, Stanley, LaFaro, Jamerson, Marcus etc. changed what the bass can do?
Absolutely. But those are exceptions to the rule. Most band situations require a more fundamental role with less acrobatics. And in saying that I don't mean "dumbing down" your trip. I mean embracing the notes, however few they may be, and giving the song/musicians/listeners something to lean on or bounce off. If you can do that and be conversational at the same time you win.
A perfect busy example of that to me is Jamerson.
He implied simile, made the listener feel like they knew where it would be, and was just dancing around at the same time.
For many if not most musicians, it's tough to turn off the chop machine if that's what you spend all your time working on. Most bands don't need/want the chop machine.
These days I'm more in love with the different ways to play 8th notes than Teen Town.
In saying that, if I woke up tomorrow with Hadriens chops, I might play that way all the time too! And all the people who hire me would probably look elsewhere too.
Lee Sklar said something to the likes of "I love the role of bass in music". That really had an impact on me.
Am I glad people like Jaco, Stanley, LaFaro, Jamerson, Marcus etc. changed what the bass can do?
Absolutely. But those are exceptions to the rule. Most band situations require a more fundamental role with less acrobatics. And in saying that I don't mean "dumbing down" your trip. I mean embracing the notes, however few they may be, and giving the song/musicians/listeners something to lean on or bounce off. If you can do that and be conversational at the same time you win.
A perfect busy example of that to me is Jamerson.
He implied simile, made the listener feel like they knew where it would be, and was just dancing around at the same time.
For many if not most musicians, it's tough to turn off the chop machine if that's what you spend all your time working on. Most bands don't need/want the chop machine.
These days I'm more in love with the different ways to play 8th notes than Teen Town.
In saying that, if I woke up tomorrow with Hadriens chops, I might play that way all the time too! And all the people who hire me would probably look elsewhere too.
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Not so much in the US, but globally it's a big draw. Look at the packed tour schedules a lot of the fusion guys have.
I would say in the UK - that fusion must be the least popular or well-known category of music bar none!
So - most Jazz venues want acoustic acts and even classical has a higher profile. I could point you to more concerts of Mahler symphonies in the UK, than I could of fusion!
Here is an extract from JM interview on AbstractLogix web site:
"RS: How did Etienne join the 4th Dimension or why didnt Dominique DiPiazza join?
JM: Ive known Etienne for about eight years now. I first saw him with Zawinuls Syndicate in Nice, and we became friends at that moment. Hes a wonderful musician and human being. About two years ago we were beginning a European tour, and the day before the first gig Hadrien Feraud arrived with a broken hand. Only Dominique DiPiazza was capable of coming in on 24 hours notice, and he sweated!!! But he came through with flying colors.
Prior to this tour, Id had words with Hadrien about his volume on stage, which was excessive. Id actually had many words with him about his volume which unfortunately, he seemed unable to change.
Several months later we had a gig in Switzerland on the opening day of the Olympics in Beijing. The gig was a free concert for the Tibetan people with whom my wife and I are associated. Hadrien was healthy, and aware that this was a kind of test concert. Unfortunately the volume was way over the top, and shortly after I just had to let him go. Dominique has quite a career going for himself, and it was clear that I should find another bassist. I called Etienne and he was in. The rest is history, as they say. "
On a personal note (my 2 cents):
I saw the 4th dimension tour with Hadrien. It was amazing music, except for two things that bothered me:
1) Hadrien using the "palm mute" technique so much during that show. Did not had anything and sounded not that good. But it is a matter of taste - I don't like it from anybody.
2) Gary Husband on the drums (or percussions): talk about overplaying and, if I may say, "not understanding really well the role of the instrument" (or what it should be)... I am being ironic here - of course, I know that Husband is a great musician. But I only want to signal how subjective these things are. I truely did not like how he played drums (or percussions) and I thought it was not appropriate to the music. But, obviously the band leader liked it.
Finally, two comments about the discussion:
1) I am getting tired of people presenting their opinion about what the role of the bass should be as something else than an opinion. One thing that super bass players like Michael Manring, Alain Caron, G. Willis, Matt Garrison, Hadrien and all the others you know, have done and continue doing for us is to demonstrate that bass can be anything you want and are able to make it (excuse my poor english). I honestly question the notion of a definite role or function of the bass guitar. It depends of the music AND of what you are able to do with a bass guitar.
2) John McLaughlin's music has never struck me as being what is usually referred to as "groove-oriented". It seems to me that if there was ever a place for guys who can play like Matt Garrison or Hadrien Feraud, it is in that band. So I tend to think that the letting go of HF has much to do with the stage volume thing...
"RS: How did Etienne join the 4th Dimension or why didnt Dominique DiPiazza join?
JM: Ive known Etienne for about eight years now. I first saw him with Zawinuls Syndicate in Nice, and we became friends at that moment. Hes a wonderful musician and human being. About two years ago we were beginning a European tour, and the day before the first gig Hadrien Feraud arrived with a broken hand. Only Dominique DiPiazza was capable of coming in on 24 hours notice, and he sweated!!! But he came through with flying colors.
Prior to this tour, Id had words with Hadrien about his volume on stage, which was excessive. Id actually had many words with him about his volume which unfortunately, he seemed unable to change.
Several months later we had a gig in Switzerland on the opening day of the Olympics in Beijing. The gig was a free concert for the Tibetan people with whom my wife and I are associated. Hadrien was healthy, and aware that this was a kind of test concert. Unfortunately the volume was way over the top, and shortly after I just had to let him go. Dominique has quite a career going for himself, and it was clear that I should find another bassist. I called Etienne and he was in. The rest is history, as they say. "
On a personal note (my 2 cents):
I saw the 4th dimension tour with Hadrien. It was amazing music, except for two things that bothered me:
1) Hadrien using the "palm mute" technique so much during that show. Did not had anything and sounded not that good. But it is a matter of taste - I don't like it from anybody.
2) Gary Husband on the drums (or percussions): talk about overplaying and, if I may say, "not understanding really well the role of the instrument" (or what it should be)... I am being ironic here - of course, I know that Husband is a great musician. But I only want to signal how subjective these things are. I truely did not like how he played drums (or percussions) and I thought it was not appropriate to the music. But, obviously the band leader liked it.
Finally, two comments about the discussion:
1) I am getting tired of people presenting their opinion about what the role of the bass should be as something else than an opinion. One thing that super bass players like Michael Manring, Alain Caron, G. Willis, Matt Garrison, Hadrien and all the others you know, have done and continue doing for us is to demonstrate that bass can be anything you want and are able to make it (excuse my poor english). I honestly question the notion of a definite role or function of the bass guitar. It depends of the music AND of what you are able to do with a bass guitar.
2) John McLaughlin's music has never struck me as being what is usually referred to as "groove-oriented". It seems to me that if there was ever a place for guys who can play like Matt Garrison or Hadrien Feraud, it is in that band. So I tend to think that the letting go of HF has much to do with the stage volume thing...
When I saw the tour Gary didn't play drums, he played keyboard. He played a bit of percussion on one or two tunes but that was it. I agree that JM's music has never been really groove oriented and lends itself well to Hadrien's style. Of course, maybe JM was wanting to add a more groove oriented concept to his music. Entienne is perfect for that.
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Sidemen are just that. And being a side man comes rules that must be honored. This whole situation with Gary and JM giving some a peep into the real world business of being a side man should be a lesson to note.
Garry's role in JM's band is what it is. It's what JM ask of him. He is still in the band.
This was told to me by a close friend of John's. I suppose it's quite possible that he was wrong. I offered it up only as another possible reason other than Hadrien's playing as to why he was no longer with JM. I did not intend it as a slam to Hadrien and do not see it as a harmful comment.
Hadrien contacted me and stated that he does not drink, smoke or do drugs. That is fantastic if it's true. Frankly, I'm sick of all the cliche musicians who go down that road.
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Now it's Page 5 already and it just has to be said... Gary is just that... "Gary" and not "Garry"...it's just been going on wwaayy too loong.
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Now it's Page 5 already and it just has to be said... Gary is just that... "Gary" and not "Garry"...it's just been going on wwaayy too loong.
You are correct sir.
