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Grant had a gentleman' s cool yet, he always had that respote to any challenge.
He wasn't just handsome; he was "purty!" He said it himself!
That's not homophobic but it's answering a question that hasn't been asked. Because a heterosexual man can recognize handsomeness in another man doesn't mean there's an attraction. There's nothing to be sorry about.
He was responding to me. I think there IS a knee-jerk reaction many men have, to say they don't notice if other men are good-looking, because they're afraid that if they do acknowledge it, their straightness would come into question. Deliberately posting on the thread to emphatically assert such a lack of awareness, when they could have just scrolled past, suggests to me that this is what's going on for some.
I think we tend to oversexualize everything in our culture. Beauty is beauty, wherever it's found, and it's a good thing that we should appreciate and be thankful for. We should be able to do that without the desire to possess. Maybe I'm quibbling over words, but I would say another man is handsome... not attractive. The point is not that his looks attract me but that
I can appreciate that he is a good-looking man.
I don't think one's sexual orientation or gender identity has much at all to do with recognizing good looks in someone else. You know it when you see it.
I've wondered about this. The thread title has the word 'handsome' in it, not 'attractive.' I can find someone handsome (or beautiful) and not be physically or sexually attracted to them. But I suspect that some of the guys here who are professing not to know when another man is handsome have, to one degree or another, been trained or trained themselves not to look.
Homophobia or fear of homophobia or fear of not being homophobic enough may have little to do with it. Perhaps it's more on the order of 'Why would I CARE if another guy is good-looking - it simply isn't relevant to me, so I'm not going to think about it.' To a straight man, a woman being good-looking is more relevant just because she's fun to look at if she is, where no such fun exists while looking at a man.
I tend to see pieces of people rather than whole people. Last time I was at Best Buy the guy helping me had the funniest hands I've ever seen on a cisgender male. (I'm assuming he was cisgender; I had no doubt until I saw his hands, and they did not go with the rest of him, including his enormous feet.) The fact that I noticed his hands did not mean I was attracted to or repulsed by them. I just noticed.
I'm really secure with my heterosexuality, but I'd totally give it up to some of the beefcake listed in this thread.
I'd consider it a generalization fallacy to say that the anxiety I'm talking about is behind any given individual's statement that they can't identify a good-looking man. I carefully avoided accusing any particular poster of being homophobic. But when somebody asks, "Who do you think is a good looking man?" and a chorus of guys immediately jump all over themselves to say, "not me! I'm straight! I have no idea what a good looking man is!"... come on.
And that's why I distinguished "handsome" from "attractive." I'm frequently surprised by what I'm told women find attractive. Him? Really? Why? I don't get it. But I certainly see guys I meet or actors I see in movies and say, "Wow. That is a well-put-together man." And for all I know a woman doesn't find him particularly attractiveThink about this. Why are bodybuilding mags, or Men's Health mag so popular? It's not closeted gays keeping those mags afloat - it's average looking guys without the muscles who see an ideal of handsome in those pages. So, without bringing homophobia into it, it's downright true that just about every man can appreciate an ideal.
Reposte?.....Ha! Thought I was gonna learn a cool new word, "respote." Google didn't recognize it...![]()
Reposte?.....
Never know'd it...I dunno about Rod Stewart, but maybe Mick Jaggers popularity with women had to do with a misunderstanding of the Sticky Fingers cover.I never understood why some women used to go gaga over Mick Jagger or Rod Stewart.
Think he meant riposte....Not getting an actual definition for that either.
It appears, though, that "riposte" is "a quick clever reply to an insult or criticism"...?Never know'd it...
That's what's fascinating about your posts in this thread. No one said what you claim; no one said "I'm straight" as if to validate their masculinity, as you seem to think. There was/is no "chorus of guys." Two guys had indicated ... without any reference to sexuality mind you ... that they don't discern handsomeness in men when you brought homophobia into this. And you continue to bring up sexuality and imply a link between homosexuality/homophobia and the idea of men not seeing beauty in other men.
It's got me scratchin' my head. I see more that's curious in your posts than I do in a guy claiming he doesn't see beauty in men...
Freddie Mercury? Seriously? The guy was the best rock singer of our generation, but he was so f-ing ugly that when he walked into a bank they'd turn OFF the cameras!
I always thought Victor Mature was a total stud among men:
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Curious, I think he's rather on the "ooooogly" side, myself.Link Removed
My Aunt used to call him "Old wax face"Curious, I think he's rather on the "ooooogly" side, myself.
Yikes---interesting trousers.....I nominate Till Lindemann if Rammstein. I was going through a strange trip through YouTube earlier and somehow landed on some Rammstein videos when I couldn't help but think "man, what a f-ing beefcake," so I had to share here.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
But let's not forget that at the most primitive level, we are all creatures. Many, many male animals beautify themselves to attract a sexual partner. It stands to reason that a more attractive person will be more successful in the goal of procreating.
Gorn, I agree - there is absolutely nothing wrong with identifying the attractiveness in a person, regardless of gender, or even less, sexual preference. I'm gay and yet can easily see the beauty in many, many women.
+every number.
If we were all attracted to one particular standard look, I and most others here would certainly miss out.
There is a tonne of research that suggests that it is highly unlikely that men or women have absolutely zero interest in the other sex. Kinsey is the best known, and probably least reliable. The reason fashion exists, the reason women wear makeup, the reason we want to look our best at special events or in front of our peers is because we TAKE NOTICE of what makes our gender attractive to the ones we are trying to attract.
No, you wouldn't.