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having time for music and a relationship

I think the most important question underlying everything is: Is he supportive of your musical endeavors? Honestly, when I think of the musical opportunities I gave up for some guy.. But, my ignorance and my fault. Anyone I am in a relationship with just has to be understanding of the importance of music in my life. Ideally, we also make music together together.

And, as far as work, things work out so much better if the work, full time or part time, has flexibility built into it. Do you have some flexibility in the hours you can work?
 
I think the most important question underlying everything is: Is he supportive of your musical endeavors? Honestly, when I think of the musical opportunities I gave up for some guy.. But, my ignorance and my fault. Anyone I am in a relationship with just has to be understanding of the importance of music in my life. Ideally, we also make music together together.

And, as far as work, things work out so much better if the work, full time or part time, has flexibility built into it. Do you have some flexibility in the hours you can work?

Some excellent points made in these comments. Most that I see are concerning part-time music gigs and that certainly makes a difference in the choices available or the options acted upon. If you play for a living, everything changes....4 or 5 weeks on the road and then a week or two at home means two solid weeks with the partner and family.

Life's tough.....Wear a Helmet. :)
 
It's a delicate balance, some of us have been lucky to find a partner who is whole-heartedly supportive of our passions. It works both ways... as supportive as my wife is of my aspirations and art, I also support her needs and life (who's to say my music is more important than her yoga(?). It gets even more complicated when a child is involved. My personal challenge is not getting to a gig or rehearsal but making the time to practice, write, record while I am at home.

Priorities in life shift, as long as you are open to that you can ride the wave. A relationship is a beautiful thing, and so is family. No one will take my music away from me, although the realities of my life choices has helped balance out my aspirations.

There is no right answer, but if the person you are with is someone who you plan to be with for a long time, it's worth effort and compromise. If it's just a companion that you want for when there is nothing going on, then you should make that clear to them, and to yourself. It's a hard conversation but a. "look, I want to be with you, and enjoy our time together, but I am committed to doing all this other stuff. How can we make it work."

You are already giving honest thought to your situation and reaching out to your peers for support, I'm sure you will find some enlightening opinions to help your challenge. Good luck!

+1 on time management. A long time ago I used to get mad when a family event would get into my shed time, especially when I was shedding for an upcoming gig/session. I realized it was really my fault. I had a tendency to procrastinate and leave things for last minute, causing anxiety that could have been prevented. I could have owned my parts, and still have gone to the movies with the family...

These are just my personal life analogies. We're all different, but I hope this adds to your growing list of supportive opinions.
 
How the @#$ do you MAKE time? Like I'm gonna magically add more than 24 hours to the day or something?

Simple. You have to manage your time, and drop the things which are less important to you. Many of the relationship problems you hear about are because people (male and female) assume their "other" will stand for being ignored.

Tain't so. You have to make time for the people who matter to you - or decide they don't matter that much and move on.

You make the call.

And if you have a spouse, the determination is made. You give up the OTHER stuff, not the spouse. If you have kids, you give up other stuff for them - and do it for at least 21 years. If you don't want that duty, don't have kids. "Move on" is not an option for spouses, and especially not for kids.
 
Simple. You have to manage your time, and drop the things which are less important to you. Many of the relationship problems you hear about are because people (male and female) assume their "other" will stand for being ignored.

Tain't so. You have to make time for the people who matter to you - or decide they don't matter that much and move on.

You make the call.

And if you have a spouse, the determination is made. You give up the OTHER stuff, not the spouse. If you have kids, you give up other stuff for them - and do it for at least 21 years. If you don't want that duty, don't have kids. "Move on" is not an option for spouses, and especially not for kids.

+10000
 
Simple. You have to manage your time, and drop the things which are less important to you. Many of the relationship problems you hear about are because people (male and female) assume their "other" will stand for being ignored.

Tain't so. You have to make time for the people who matter to you - or decide they don't matter that much and move on.

You make the call.

And if you have a spouse, the determination is made. You give up the OTHER stuff, not the spouse. If you have kids, you give up other stuff for them - and do it for at least 21 years. If you don't want that duty, don't have kids. "Move on" is not an option for spouses, and especially not for kids.

Once again I must respectfully disagree. I've been in the music industry since I was 12. So, for 5 decades I've been on the move with others who travel FAR more than I did. While, in theory, your point is well taken....take a look at the Tour Date Calendars of Most Big Bands, Management and Staff, or Performers and you'll see than many of them travel from 200 to 350 days a year....and they're happily married.....many with kids. You learn to ride the wave as it carries you on its back because nobody knows when the crash will come.



Like anything else we need to decide what we want to do with our lives.....how serious we want to be with the gifts which we're given. If a Weekend Warrior we Wish to be, that's a WHOLE different ball game. :)

Peace and Apple Pie,
Rich
 
The bottom line is that if you asked me point-blank what's more important, music or a relationship, I would say music. But at the same time, what am I gonna do, dump the guy because I don't have time to hang out with him anymore? That seems douchey, no?

Rio, you're going to do what you want to do.

You're clearly creating less time to be available for the guy. Now you can try to pass it off as focusing on music, your artistic development, or whatever, but the dude is on his way out and you know it. It looks to me like you're trying to justify dumping the guy for bs reasons.

Just dump him and get it over with. You're not into him, and that's all there is to it. The sooner the better, you'll both be better off.

If you were into him this thread wouldn't be here.
 
Rio, you're going to do what you want to do.

You're clearly creating less time to be available for the guy. Now you can try to pass it off as focusing on music, your artistic development, or whatever, but the dude is on his way out and you know it. It looks to me like you're trying to justify dumping the guy for bs reasons.

Just dump him and get it over with. You're not into him, and that's all there is to it. The sooner the better, you'll both be better off.

If you were into him this thread wouldn't be here.
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Thanks R Briere. I've been feeling like a lousy girlfriend lately so that makes me feel better. Saw you're from Northampton, that's a cool town...my parents are up in Beverly. How's the music scene up there? (Go Red Sox :D)

A fellow Sox fan too???? Cuz' ya GOTTA squeeze in time for the SOX! Man, this juggling act just got that much MORE complicated! :eek:
 
You like apples? I went (with my GF) to game 1 of the WS...how ya like them apples!!

SuhWEET! I have been to Fenway a few times. I was there the day they retired Mike Lowell. Good times.

So, in this case, I guess the apples are green.... like with envy.

Sorry to derail! Back to helping this nice lady work out her time management thing!
 
SuhWEET! I have been to Fenway a few times. I was there the day they retired Mike Lowell. Good times.

So, in this case, I guess the apples are green.... like with envy.

Sorry to derail! Back to helping this nice lady work out her time management thing!

My point exactly...I break my tail end like crazy doing all these gig and I'm able to take the time and do something awesome with her. She was psyched! Many brownie points scored!
 
Once again I must respectfully disagree. I've been in the music industry since I was 12. So, for 5 decades I've been on the move with others who travel FAR more than I did. While, in theory, your point is well taken....take a look at the Tour Date Calendars of Most Big Bands, Management and Staff, or Performers and you'll see than many of them travel from 200 to 350 days a year....and they're happily married.....many with kids. You learn to ride the wave as it carries you on its back because nobody knows when the crash will come.

Like anything else we need to decide what we want to do with our lives.....how serious we want to be with the gifts which we're given. If a Weekend Warrior we Wish to be, that's a WHOLE different ball game. :)

There's a major caveat that comes with the kind of schedule: what kind of $$$ are those major players earning? That's a tremendous sticking point if you're making music a big part of your life. The outlay of time and effort ultimately has to translate to a positive outcome for your loved ones. If you make a good enough living on the road to be able to support a family, then yes, that kind of arrangement can work.

Oh, and let me add to the Northampton lovefest, too. I played a gig up there a couple of years ago and I was definitely taken with the charm of the town. And the fact that there was a Newbury Comics AND another indie record shop right across the street from each other? I could go back there just for that!

As for balancing music and some semblance of a social life? You absolutely need to start prioritizing. But where to start? For me the job gets scheduled first. Why? Because if your paycheck from that job is how you're paying your bills it's an easy decision to make.

So what comes next on the scheduling priority list? That's a tough determination to make. So what criteria do you use? Is it a measure of what's the most important to you? Or scheduling convenience? In this case I chose music. And it boiled down to the fact that it can be much more difficult to schedule 4 or 5 people as opposed to only 2.

After that? Then you can look at your free time and see where you can make time for your social life, relationships and friends. Does this seem borderline ruthless? Possibly. But if you want to squeeze all of these things into your life you have to find a way to make that work.

You've got the added factor of freelance work, Rio. As do a number of other people, because the job market isn't so hot. So again, you need to figure out for yourself how important that work is to you in the scope of everything else. How important is that additional income to your life?

As for my own situation? I suspect that it's similar to your own, Rio. I live and gig(ged) in the NYC area ever since I got out of college. And I did so as a single guy for a lot of that time while working my day job. I also work in a 24/7 business (that also seems to attract plenty of other musicians), and I managed to work music around that schedule.

When I met my wife I had been gigging very steadily for a while. It was part of my identity as we got to know one another. She accepted that and was very supportive. That's due in part to who she is as a person, and also because of her profession. She's a chef, and people work in the food business largely based on their passion for the work. And the lifestyle of chefs is not dissimilar to that of a musician.

When I got married? My gig schedule remained pretty much the same, although I started to guard my personal time a little more jealously. And when some major events or work conflicts came up? I got a sub to fill in for me.

When we had our little girl? Then, that was time to make some significant decisions. I told the band that I was taking paternity leave for at least 3 months. My thoughts were that I would need some time to assess things while we had a newborn at home. But the financial reality of having a newborn at home hit, and it quickly became apparent that both my wife and I needed to work fulltime. And the way the schedule worked out we needed to set our priorities: work, childcare, and then everything else. But those first two things? HUGELY IMPORTANT. And it became very clear that I could not give the band the time that they needed, and had to make the very tough decision to quit. For now, at least.

These were my choices, Rio. You are going to have a whole set of events and conditions come up in your life and you're going to have to determine which are the most important for you. Have a smart phone? Get well acquainted with the calendar and start setting up your schedule. Put EVERYTHING in there: work, rehearsal, dates, etc. Sometimes looking at your schedule laid out in that visual format can help you make some decisions regarding your schedule. And it might make managing your schedule a little easier.
 
When I date a girl, I tell her very early on that music is my number 1 priority. That I will make as much time as possible for her but if the band needs me, the band needs me. I tell her that's the reality of dating a musician and if they can't handle it, they should leave now before thing get serious.

They usually say they can handle it, but as soon as I miss an anniversary or a birthday, they sing another tune.
 
When I date a girl, I tell her very early on that music is my number 1 priority. That I will make as much time as possible for her but if the band needs me, the band needs me. I tell her that's the reality of dating a musician and if they can't handle it, they should leave now before thing get serious.

They usually say they can handle it, but as soon as I miss an anniversary or a birthday, they sing another tune.

But missing a birthday is kinda lame. I'm a man and I would be piss off if the only person missing at my birthday is my girlfriend. Music is that important that you would miss important even in the life of people you love ?
 
But missing a birthday is kinda lame. I'm a man and I would be piss off if the only person missing at my birthday is my girlfriend. Music is that important that you would miss important even in the life of people you love ?

yes. to me music is first priority and i truly mean that. the band comes before family, friends, job, everything. music first, everything else is second. you might hate me for this but i even missed my grandmothers funeral because i had a gig.

some people think its selfish but im not missing out on that stuff for me. im missing out on it for the band. the band is bigger than myself and any of the individuals within it.