Help choosing a bass cab, but not Eden!

[Lo-E]

Eden has been very disappointing, considering all the great reviews.

Eden's reputation was built on David Nordschow's cabinet designs and David left the company years ago. The 212 design is not one of his.

I'm sorry you're feeling let down by the Eden 212 (I don't like them, either), but I wouldn't condemn the company for one product. Their 210s and 410s are David Nordschow designs, and they're great, IMO.
I completely agree with you that the Eden 212 is a letdown, but I agree with others here that there are, in fact, great 410s available and Eden is one of them.

Acme, as Bass_Pounder suggested, is a great place to start for deep-voiced cabs if you're really just too burned by Eden. In answer to your Phil Jones question; you've really got to hear these things to believe them. They're very impressive. If you're not in a hurry, you could also order a cab from Don Oatman at Low Down Sound and he'll voice it any way you like. He builds great stuff at very reasonable prices. Far better than many off-the-shelf cabs.

 

[tbz]

I am in a classic rock and funk cover band, preforming at medium sized indoor venues and outdoor arenas. I bought a GK Fusion 550 head that I LOVE! For outdoor venues I am using the Mesa Powerhouse 1000 with 4x10 and 1x15. It's awesome and can handle anything I throw at it. For my indoor medium gigs I was using a Fender Rumble 15", 150 watt combo, but after a few years it was ready to be replaced by something more serious. Since I love the GK head, I decided to get just a new cab, and use the GK on whichever cab suited that gig. I've never wanted a 4x10 cabs, as classic rock and funk really needs that low end rumble. After doing weeks of homework, I bought the Eden D212. It sounds great and says it can handle 600RMS, but cannot even give me enough volume for a medium sized gig without the speakers "farting" whenever pushed. I complained to the complained where I bought it, and the cab was replaced, but this one does the exact same thing. They are telling me to back off on the eq, but pardon me, I'm a bass player. My bass eq is set at like one o'clock, which is just above flat. It appears I'm going to have to replace the cab with another brand. Any suggestions?

The Mesa 1000 is one cab with 1x15 and 4x10 inside. It is incredible! Always gets compliments. Low end rumble, high end punch, no slop, and I can shatter the windows with it. But too much horsepower at smaller venues. Plus it's 137 pounds.

It's not 1985. Saying a 4-10 can't give excellent low end performance is ludacris.

Few things.

410s and a 15 from a quality company like Mesa would be substantially louder than a 212 from anyone. Imhe.

I don't consider my Aggie DB212 to be the equivalent of my Eden 410XLT in terms of projection regardless of specs (600 rms vs 700 Iirc) by any stretch.

Volume wise it's right between my Eden 210 and 410.

So. Just from that I'd assume the 212 isn't quite what you want here.

I'd suggest the Mesa PH410 but that weighs almost as much as your Mesa 1000 Iirc and is less portable since it's shorter. Iirc they make a few 215 cabs. Those would weigh less than your 1000. Interesting that you like the 1000 as that is not generally regarded as a great example of a Mesa cab, based on other posts I've seen here.

As others have mentioned 10s can get serious low end. I can rattle my house with an Eden 210XST eq'd properly.

 

[buldog5151bass]

Budget???

 

[WannaJazz]

Hmm, it's a long shot. But very affordable.

Are you using the speakon connection to power the amp?

If so, try plugging the 1/4" jacks with ear plugs to see if that stops the farting that you're hearing.

Eden used to provide two plastic 1/4" plugs, with their new cabs, for that purpose.

Because the cabs are built so tight. And are so efficient, that they will produce enough air pressure to create a farting sound out of those open jacks.

Like these!

1/4" (inch) Black Hole Plugs

 

[basscooker]

a pair of efficient 15's is an option not mentioned yet. Easier to move than a 215. A bit pricy if you go high end but should have a bit higher power rating and will move more air than the 212.

 

[Chicken Dog]

SCHROEDER! END OF STORY!

This!

Running my ThunderFunk 800 through my Schroeder 212PL sounds great from small clubs to outdoor stages - I get compliments on my tone just about every gig. I do have a 15PL that I've added to the mix one time for a large outdoor gig, but it really wasn't necessary - the 212 could have handled it with ease.

 

[iriegnome]

DNA brothers. That is where it is at!!

 

[InhumanResource]

My Bergantino HT-322 had the deepest low end out of anything I have played or owned. Having said that, I switched back to Ampeg sealed cabs this year.

 

[friendlybass]

Swr, any cab

 

[DeepHotBass]

I was asked about budget. I'd be returning the Eden for a credit of like $750, andI'm willing to toss in a few hundred more to get a great cab. More concerned with performance than cost.

 

[Bigbri]

Hmmmm OK. Do you know someone with a healthy 1x15 for a test. Perhaps that's what you need instead of a 2 x12, or at least THAT particular model of 2x12?

The Mesa 1000 is one cab with 1x15 and 4x10 inside. It is incredible! Always gets compliments. Low end rumble, high end punch, no slop, and I can shatter the windows with it. But too much horsepower at smaller venues. Plus it's 137 pounds.

you're lucky- you're pleased with one of the cabs that gets not only the least love around here, but much venom. I wouldn't get hung up on the size of the speakers- just do homework on each cab. My 410 is a beast- Berg HD410. goes as low as I ever need and I like it loud and low, but that's all relative. Medium sized gigs I'd go at least 3-12s, 4-10, or 2-15s- but that's all relative too- medium to me is 300 plus in a large club. Of course there are "super cabs" but that's another can of worms.
Have fun with it and use the search function here- lot's of good info

Those

Swr, any cab

I'm thinking about looking for an old redhead.

 

[DavidEdenAria]

I was asked about budget. I'd be returning the Eden for a credit of like $750, andI'm willing to toss in a few hundred more to get a great cab. More concerned with performance than cost.

Imo, quit messing around with heavy cabs.....buy a pair of 1x15's...easier to move and stack....my pair of 1x15 TL606 EV15L cabs are monster with my GK400RBIII.

I too love the old Eden stuff....my 1997 Eden Metro at 450 watts into the 2x10 is great but a stack of THREE 1x15 completely BURIES the Eden 2x10...the Eden Metro amp will push 2 ohms so Three 1x15s at 2.7 ohms is fine.

But yeah, a pair of 1x15's is how I would go like the TL606 cabs designed for EV15L drivers...really efficient...just my 2 cents though.

 

[Bassmec]

Small light cabs that have very big lows and strong fart out resistance are normally equipped with an Eminence 3015LF and some kind of 6" midrange cone driver these days.
I always loved the old Eden 10" LXT drivers after all that's what they made their name with.
That was a very clear bright mid forward aggressive clanking sound, I never thought of Eden cabs for a big round pillow of bass.
Maybe you could go with a pair of lightweight ported fifteen inch cabs after all there are Fital PR 400's these days and they don't suck at all.

 

[Bassmec]

Imo, quit messing around with heavy cabs.....buy a pair of 1x15's...easier to move and stack....my pair of 1x15 TL606 EV15L cabs are monster with my GK400RBIII.

I too love the old Eden stuff....my 1997 Eden Metro at 450 watts into the 2x10 is great but a stack of THREE 1x15 completely BURIES the Eden 2x10...the Eden Metro amp will push 2 ohms so Three 1x15s at 2.7 ohms is fine.

But yeah, a pair of 1x15's is how I would go like the TL606 cabs designed for EV15L drivers...really efficient...just my 2 cents though.

I love Ev15l's but for the sensitivity and glorious bright mid tones, not so much the weight or X-Max at only 3.3 mm though.

 

[popgadget]

I've never wanted a 4x10 cabs, as classic rock and funk really needs that low end rumble. ?

Small light cabs that have very big lows and strong fart out resistance are normally equipped with an Eminence 3015LF and some kind of 6" midrange cone driver these days.

As has been stated here before driver size has little or no impact on low frequency response. It has a far greater effect on off axis response, with larger drivers being "beamier". The point in the second quote above is that there is a whole new generation of cabinets that use high quality sound reinforcement drivers rather than the typical MI drivers. Typically In these designs, a high excursion woofer is paired with a Mid and often a compression driver and waveguide for the HF. These cabs usually have a very well defined low frequency response and greatly improved off axis response due to the additional drivers and the woofers crossed over much lower than the typical bass cab.
I would suggest to anyone looking for a new cab to forget about what is inside a cab, but rather focus on what comes out of it. There are many excellent choices out there.
In full disclosure, I build and sell Greenboy cabinets.

 

[iriegnome]

I'm telling you, there has never been a more giant sound from a 4x10 than DNA. I used a neo speaker system and it lacked in tone, but it was light. Just IMHO, you cannot find a more powerful and capable cab. It handles the low b string easily and is crystal clean on the 24th fret of my G string

 

[Rocksolid]

Out of interest. Is the Eden 212 4 or 8 ohm? I've had quite a few Eden cabs, I'm surprised by this. If it's 8 ohms, the fusion550 is giving it less than 300 watts...not ideal.

Still running 2 x Eden 210xst cabs (vertical stack) with a GK MB800, and the volume and clarity is astounding.

Berg CN212, or 2 x 210s, or 112's would be my pick.

 

[Rocksolid]

Hmm, it's a long shot. But very affordable.

Are you using the speakon connection to power the amp?

If so, try plugging the 1/4" jacks with ear plugs to see if that stops the farting that you're hearing.

Eden used to provide two plastic 1/4" plugs, with their new cabs, for that purpose.

Because the cabs are built so tight. And are so efficient, that they will produce enough air pressure to create a farting sound out of those open jacks.

Like these!

1/4" (inch) Black Hole Plugs

I have experienced this. It's true. It is worth trying.

 

[hover]

My SVT410HLF way lay to waste any 15 you put against it. Gets just as low, and is still plenty quick, you just have to like the baked in tone of it. Sure, there are some really beautiful 15's out there, just speaking to my experience on this one.
And, since I know how to eq instead of instantly dismissing the cab as too murky, the low end is useful instead of too "wooly" (I say this as many here hate this cab as well)

 

[monsterthompson]

SCHROEDER! END OF STORY!

Not the answer for someone looking for lows, based on TB hive mind knowledge (no actual experience here).