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Hey Fender- This is NOT cool!

I've seen the same thing on other brands including on the tops of Gibson Les Pauls with $2K+ price tags. Usually you'll see these in the big chainstores like GC.

I guess the old practice of calling a "second" a "second" has gone by the wayside - like so many other things in manufacturing these days.

As long as the eventual buyer doesn't care about it, I guess I won't either.

So true. A couple months ago our guitarist shows up with a cherryburst Les Paul that he got off of CL. The top was so mismatched, I seriously thought he must have bought a counterfeit. Before I said anything, I looked it up and it's very common issue with LPs. Of course, these cost way more than an MIA Jazz, but they can't manage to even come close to a matched maple cap. Maybe it's too expensive to book match these, but at least get the pieces from the same library.

I'm reading all kinds of excuses on here for Fender not to do a better job, but it's all baloney. It's not rocket surgery. Matching blocks of wood out of a pile doesn't take hours and a college degree. Anyone with a decent eye and a modicum of training could do it in seconds. Fender and Gibson just don't care and take little pride in putting out the best products, because as we see in this thread, many of its customers just don't care.
 
I can see a time when all clear, natural, sunburst finishes are gone. Matching woods by grain is a waste of a valuable resource. I agree that you might expect more at this price level...but why not one piece? Instead of gluing 2 or 3 pieces together? Does that bother you, if the grain is sorta kinda matched better? Use the wood wisely and paint them. The member above was right about function being the most important thing IMO.

Maybe form is the more important thing. But it doesn't automatically follow that it's the most or only important thing. There's still room for art and craftsmanship - and taking pride in your creations.
 
I know that if a manufacturer is doing a poopy job, their sales will go down, hence the profit will go down, leading to the closing of the business. If a lot of people stop buying Fender basses and guitars, they will eventually close, so no more wood imperfections and mismatches. Just have patience.
 
Well the wood is already cut for the purpose of making the bass. I'm not sure matching wood for aesthetics creates any more waste, but I could be wrong. Also, it's really not a big deal in the big picture...wouldn't be a choice that I would be happy with. If every one really just cared about function tone and mojo, I should think folks would be buying from aliexpress looking for "the one"
 
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I'm sorry but that is stupid. Are these posts all from Fender shills? This is ridiculous! When you pay the money for a higher priced item, the aesthetics are a major part of it. Go ahead and pay $2K for your mismatched "tone master", and then bitch and moan when no one wants to pay more than $200 for the cheap-looking POS... Ok, so it's "hard" to match alder, so??? It's done. All. The. Time... And for that price point, it should be a given. Period. You get a 17-piece body that looks like poopie? Send it thru the LPB line!

The OP is 100% on point. That is poor quality for Fender... And all the Fender-apologists masquerading as "only the TONE matters, dude! We promise!" can go back to their cabal... How ridiculous! Do they actually expect a reasonable person to accept such a lame argument?

I'm sorry, but the "$@(& me in the @$$, and I will thank you later" attitude is exactly why Fender gets away with it in the first place.
Geez man, don't use Red Bull in your coffee. I'm no Fender purist by any means. If I were, I wouldn't have replaced my '70s Jazz Bass's neck with a Warmoth. I'm certainly no "shill" for Fender. They make a few basses I like, but so do several other companies.
I typically buy basses used, so I'm used to them not being cosmetically perfect. It just doesn't matter all that much to me.
I wasn't saying the Original Poster was wrong to see things the way he does; I was simply saying that I had a different approach/mentality about it. Take a deep breath, and try to be a little more civil in the future when someone just expresses their honest opinion.
 
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Geez man, don't use Red Bull in your coffee. I'm no Fender purist by any means. If I were, I wouldn't have replaced my '70s Jazz Bass's neck with a Warmoth. I'm certainly no "shill" for Fender. They make a few basses I like, but so do several other companies.
I typically buy basses used, so I'm used to them not being cosmetically perfect. It just doesn't matter all that much to me.
I wasn't saying the Original Poster was wrong to see things the way he does; I was simply saying that I had a different approach/mentality about it. Take a deep breath, and try to be a little more civil in the future when someone just expresses their honest opinion.

I apologize, to you and everyone else in the thread, for the discourteous tone of my post. It certainly wasn't directed at you, your post was just the most recent.

Whether the mismatched wood matters to someone or not, I don't like that Fender gets a pass on silly crap like this. But I responded before my brain kicked in. Sorry. :(
 
So let me get this straight...

Fender has the option to match wood better than that. They can willfully set aside bodies that match better than others. They are staffed by people who are paid to be instrument building professionals. It would literally take minutes for them to do that.
They could take a stack of matched wood bodies, put them in a rack marked "trans finish" and then send them to be finished.
And they could also have a rack called "solid color" and do the same thing with the remaining bodies....

It would not take minutes and it would disrupt production. For a problem that is not a problem to most people in America. So let's drive the cost up of the instruments because some people on TB think it's an earth shattering problem.

I'm sorry but that is stupid. Are these posts all from Fender shills? This is ridiculous! When you pay the money for a higher priced item, the aesthetics are a major part of it. Go ahead and pay $2K for your mismatched "tone master", and then bitch and moan when no one wants to pay more than $200 for the cheap-looking POS... Ok, so it's "hard" to match alder, so??? It's done. All. The. Time... And for that price point, it should be a given. Period. You get a 17-piece body that looks like poopie? Send it thru the LPB line!

The OP is 100% on point. That is poor quality for Fender... And all the Fender-apologists masquerading as "only the TONE matters, dude! We promise!" can go back to their cabal... How ridiculous! Do they actually expect a reasonable person to accept such a lame argument?

I'm sorry, but the "$@(& me in the @$$, and I will thank you later" attitude is exactly why Fender gets away with it in the first place.

Haha. OK. $1200 is not an expensive USA instrument. It is the bottom of the line. You can buy these for less than $1000. It's easy....if this bothers you find one of the thousands of Fenders that are matched well. Or get a solid finish. Or pay more and get a Music Man or Lakland or something. See how that works?
 
So far the score in this discussion is about 50/50, so every 1 out of 2 cares...

..at least here on TB.

Do a poll on TB and my guess is that anywhere from 40-60% will care. Maybe more. But TB members are like 0.001% of the actual bass playing population. I can tell you that about 99% of the people that talk to me at shows have no idea what my Lakland is.
 
People obviously do in the main accept it because Fender continues to sell instruments based on this level of manufacture, and resell values hold up, which is proof your argument is specious.

As to telling people what they think is invalid because you yourself have different criteria, well, to each his own, right?

Good luck trying to sell a used bass with this kinda woodwork for the price you think you deserve.
 
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So far the score in this discussion is about 50/50, so every 1 out of 2 cares...

..at least here on TB.
I bet most of those:
1) Did not know that there was an "issue" from looking at the pic, but had to read entire post.
2) Already hate Fender and jump at any opportunity to scrutinize
or
3) Don't understand the question

I also get that there a few that legitimately think that mismatched grains in wood is a QC issue
 
I bet most of those:
1) Did not know that there was an "issue" from looking at the pic, but had to read entire post.
2) Already hate Fender and jump at any opportunity to scrutinize
or
3) Don't understand the question

I also get that there a few that legitimately think that mismatched grains in wood is a QC issue

Just for the record I own like 22 fender basses. So that knocks me out of #2.
 
I think in Fender's case there's much more important things to complain than wood matching in laminated bodies. The main thing for me is their highly inconsistent quality, compared to similarly priced gear (i.e. EB Musicman). I'd never risk buying a Fender sight unseen, OTOH I did (twice) with EBMM. The other thing that bugs me is how in this world they haven't yet figured out how to make a P or J with a usable low B, or a neck with no (or at least not that embarrassing) dead spots. There's people out there making almost boutique stuff for the price of a MIA Fender (including much improved P or J clones), thus find their lacks plain unacceptable.