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How to tell my parents?

Just become a successful lawyer then buy truckloads of gear and play in dozens of band, all while laughing your way to the bank.
There are living examples of this scheme.
Music IS my life but I wouldn't want it for a job. It's a hobby. Hobbies are what I turn to when I feel miserable.
If my passion makes me miserable, where can I turn?
 
I'm definitely going to have a solid backup plan as a "just in case" kinda thing, which will work if I do a double major (maybe not at Berklee though...) and it sounds like a solid plan.

I understand what everyone is saying about music eventually becoming a job. It's like the old quote "the less you say about something, the more meaning it has". I may be paraphrasing... but it is a pitfall of the situation. If you make music your career, it will become just that: a career. Not a hobby, or a fun project. A job. And the fun may eventually dissolve. It's a risk. I have considered this, but I still feel that it's worth a shot.

A few people looked at it like this: whether you're living comfortably or not, you're doing what you love. Maybe I'm looking at it through romanticized, rose colored glasses, but the way I feel is that I would rather be in an uncomfortable position doing what I love than being secure and hating what I have to do to stay there.

It would be a foolish move to invest 100% in a dream of a musician's life when in reality it's a one in a million shot. I would love if we lived in a world where art can give you a successful life 100% of the time, but this isn't the case. I feel that I won't be truly happy unless music is a major part of my life, but I can't put myself entirely on the line with the intention of making a living off of playing. It's a distant dream. I will of course try my hardest to make it so, but not without a safety net below me.
 
I can answer this as a parent, a child, a professional bassist and a teacher.
If this is your dream the best thing to do is to keep your grades high, really work on your musicianship, and play in as many school-sanctioned events as you can. Play in Rock Bands sparingly and not enough to hurt your grades. In general, focus on being a good musician, a good student, and a good kid. Your folks will in all liklihood come around if they see you are focused and serious. Mine did. Good luck!
 
Hey, I'm a couple years ahead of you. Luckily my father is a professional keyboardist and was able to understand my desire. I'm going to a very good state school with teachers who care about me, and a killer student body. I hear bad rumors about the amount of attention you get from teachers at berklee . Not to make this a dish on berklee thread.

Best advice I can give you is to make absolutely sure you want and can go through with four years of the hardest work imaginable. If you find yourself practicing in ALL of your free time, then you're probably right for a major. If you don't, major in something else. How good you are now doesnt matter. All that matters is if you can handle work.

If you are sure you can do it, you're parents will be. I've seen this happen in so many families.

And as Mr. Vogt said, keep your grades up. Biggest mistake I made in high school was saying "I'm a future music major, I don't need math."
 
I'm definitely going to have a solid backup plan as a "just in case" kinda thing, which will work if I do a double major (maybe not at Berklee though...) and it sounds like a solid plan.

I understand what everyone is saying about music eventually becoming a job. It's like the old quote "the less you say about something, the more meaning it has". I may be paraphrasing... but it is a pitfall of the situation. If you make music your career, it will become just that: a career. Not a hobby, or a fun project. A job. And the fun may eventually dissolve. It's a risk. I have considered this, but I still feel that it's worth a shot.

A few people looked at it like this: whether you're living comfortably or not, you're doing what you love. Maybe I'm looking at it through romanticized, rose colored glasses, but the way I feel is that I would rather be in an uncomfortable position doing what I love than being secure and hating what I have to do to stay there.

It would be a foolish move to invest 100% in a dream of a musician's life when in reality it's a one in a million shot. I would love if we lived in a world where art can give you a successful life 100% of the time, but this isn't the case. I feel that I won't be truly happy unless music is a major part of my life, but I can't put myself entirely on the line with the intention of making a living off of playing. It's a distant dream. I will of course try my hardest to make it so, but not without a safety net below me.

while i do understand what your saying and honestly i wish you well ,fact of the matter is love and passion for music dont pay the bills.its very easy to say all this when you have your parents to fall back on..you have no risks and no worries where you are now..kids and cars and houses do a lot to change perspective..ask your dad is he doing what he wanted to do when he was 16..i dont think there is one musician out there that at some point would love to do something like this,not trying to turn you off but going by the posts you can almost tell who is young and whos been about a while..thats no bad thing but having a passion for something at 16 and a dream is fine and healthy..you will see things different as you get older,we all love music some more than others,but money talks at the end of the day..the bank does not give a **** about your passion all they want is their next payment
 
Berklee is great if you are already a monster. If not, then you become grist for the mill- another unknown person who goes through school and comes out the other side with a piece of paper that really doesn't do him much good. I looked at Berklee and U of Miami, and liked U of M, but it was getting crowded already. I chose my college, Loyola New Orleans because I could get individual attention there, and because of the high degree of music immersion and jazz history, that comes from being in New Orleans.

A tip- practically speaking, you go to music school to meet people and expose yourself. I can't stress how important it is to meet people in college- to impress your teachers, yet be humble and open to learning from them. If you impress them, they will toss a gig or two your way, once they know you can handle it, and this is how you get a career going. You must be a killer before you even apply. You must be ahead of the pack from the first day of school and you must stay ahead, if you are expected to be considered for good gigs and music opportunities. You gotta be able to ace all the tests and boards, and wow them with your playing. if you are to gain the most from school. So, if you are serious, get to work NOW. Get somebody to teach you theory and get your reading, music skills, and improv skills up Now - don't wait. And start recording yourself now, and keep your recordings. Learn from your recordings, and compare what you hear to tracks by your heroes.

When you get to school, be humble, and let your skills speak for you. Be willing to learn, but also work on building your own style, and trying to incorporate what you learn into your own thing.

I know this sounds like sucking up, but learn your bass teacher's licks. Learn them, and learn how to alter them, and show him that when you have the chance. Ask him to explain why and how. The best part of my music ed. was having an improv class that was taught be a great jazz pianist, who gigged a lot with my bass teacher, the night before our improv class. I made it a point to go to the gig, talk a little and listen like crazy - remember what songs and what impressed you about what he did in that song-, then the next day, ask about what he did. What came out was living breathing jazz, not just some rote study of scales or chordal extensions, but how the S*(& actually works.

My suggestion is to find a university that has a good music program, North Texas State, U of Miami, (my fave) Loyola New Orleans, UC at Northridge, for instance. This will give you more opportunities for learning. Another possibility is to go to school then join a military band, like the Air Force. Maybe pursue a dual degree- jazz and arranging, film scoring (gotta be in LA for that), music education or music therapy, for instance. Or in another field, like geology. I'd stay away from things like Music Engineering or Production, because those degrees are about as useful as a degree in music, and the fields are just as initially low paying, unless you get lucky.

Good luck, though, and don't be discouraged. All it really takes is dedication, a lot of practice, some talent, and a willingness to go without sleep.
 
Berklee is great if you are already a monster. If not, then you become grist for the mill- another unknown person who goes through school and comes out the other side with a piece of paper that really doesn't do him much good. I looked at Berklee and U of Miami, and liked U of M, but it was getting crowded already. I chose my college, Loyola New Orleans because I could get individual attention there, and because of the high degree of music immersion and jazz history, that comes from being in New Orleans.

A tip- practically speaking, you go to music school to meet people and expose yourself. I can't stress how important it is to meet people in college- to impress your teachers, yet be humble and open to learning from them. If you impress them, they will toss a gig or two your way, once they know you can handle it, and this is how you get a career going. You must be a killer before you even apply. You must be ahead of the pack from the first day of school and you must stay ahead, if you are expected to be considered for good gigs and music opportunities. You gotta be able to ace all the tests and boards, and wow them with your playing. if you are to gain the most from school. So, if you are serious, get to work NOW. Get somebody to teach you theory and get your reading, music skills, and improv skills up Now - don't wait. And start recording yourself now, and keep your recordings. Learn from your recordings, and compare what you hear to tracks by your heroes.

When you get to school, be humble, and let your skills speak for you. Be willing to learn, but also work on building your own style, and trying to incorporate what you learn into your own thing.

I know this sounds like sucking up, but learn your bass teacher's licks. Learn them, and learn how to alter them, and show him that when you have the chance. Ask him to explain why and how. The best part of my music ed. was having an improv class that was taught be a great jazz pianist, who gigged a lot with my bass teacher, the night before our improv class. I made it a point to go to the gig, talk a little and listen like crazy - remember what songs and what impressed you about what he did in that song-, then the next day, ask about what he did. What came out was living breathing jazz, not just some rote study of scales or chordal extensions, but how the S*(& actually works.

My suggestion is to find a university that has a good music program, North Texas State, U of Miami, (my fave) Loyola New Orleans, UC at Northridge, for instance. This will give you more opportunities for learning. Another possibility is to go to school then join a military band, like the Air Force. Maybe pursue a dual degree- jazz and arranging, film scoring (gotta be in LA for that), music education or music therapy, for instance. Or in another field, like geology. I'd stay away from things like Music Engineering or Production, because those degrees are about as useful as a degree in music, and the fields are just as initially low paying, unless you get lucky.

Good luck, though, and don't be discouraged. All it really takes is dedication, a lot of practice, some talent, and a willingness to go without sleep.

Hey, I see you are in Winston Salem. Would I know who you are? I'm starting in the fall at NCCU in durham.

Sorry OP for the off topic.
 
You might as well shoot for a career as a blacksmith, a ventriloquest or a sultan.

Just play music for the art. Maybe you can make a little extra money playing. If you fall into the right crowd that'll take you places, then great. But it's a crapshoot. And the odds are a million to one -- even if you're great

If you have a choice at this point in your life, don't throw it away on a pipe dream. There are world class musicians who can't find work of any kind. They're fighting over weddings gigs.

Music as a career is over.


BS.

I've made a living for the past 20+ years as a musician. You just have to redefine your goals. Having a career in music does not necessarily mean "being famous".
 
BS.

I've made a living for the past 20+ years as a musician. You just have to redefine your goals. Having a career in music does not necessarily mean "being famous".
That's dead right, Jon!
Here's a question for all who have said "don't do it, it didn't work out for me, it's not stable, etc".:
Can you:
1. Sightread anything put in front of you? Work with a conductor?
2. Play convincingly in any style? Do you enjoy any style?
3. Get along with virtually anyone?
4. Double on electric, upright, fretless, whatever?
5. Can you do a Jazz gig without a Real Book and a Top 40/Variety Band gig with absolutely no rehearsal because you know hundreds of songs from the 1930s to Lady Ga Ga?
6. Come up with a studio bass part "in 6 minutes that sounds like you've played it for 6 months"? (to quote my good friend Bob Babbitt)
These are the sort of job skills that will result in a 20+ or 30+ year career as a player.
 
I really chose Berklee because of it's location. I'm in Florida, and hellbent on getting out of the south. I'm not familiar with many music schools, however. I would kill to be able to get into a good music college in western Pennsylvania to get back to my home.

Any recomendations in that area?
 
While I fully support your desire to study music and make it your career, I understand your situation is tricky. I know several musicians who tried to make a go of it and found that it wasn't as fun when it became their primary means of support. They ultimately took less rewarding jobs or went back to school. Having said that....

Can you stand the sight of blood? Are you a caring individual? If so consider a career in Nursing. It has so many different facets that you're sure to find something you like. It's respectable, pays very well and has flexible scheduling such that you could work part-time or as needed to supplement your music career. Double major in Nursing and Music. You can get tons of scholarships for Nursing, which free your Pop from having to pay for the whole sheebang.
 
I really chose Berklee because of it's location. I'm in Florida, and hellbent on getting out of the south. I'm not familiar with many music schools, however. I would kill to be able to get into a good music college in western Pennsylvania to get back to my home.

Any recomendations in that area?

This is Philly, so it's East, but Gerald Veasley teaches here:
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Gerald's a monster player and a great guy-you could do worse than studying with him.
If you're in Florida for the next few years and in the Tampa/Clearwater area, I'd investigate taking some courses at The Player's School of Music. Jeff Berlin is a figure of some controversy on TB, but I've taught workshops at his school and spent a good deal of time with Jeff and he is an amazing teacher! The Player's School does some one and two week intensives as well as longer programs.
 
:rolleyes: Ooh, you too!! It's also an excellent path to the janitorial profession! :rollno:


So now's the time to confess.

I've made easier money in the Janitorial fields than my music biz.

I am not ashamed that I worked my tail off in the music biz to pay cash for my first house.... would have been easier with my janitorial distribution company.

That said.. music is still what pays for my car collection and obsessive bass collection. Other things pay for the family stuff.

Tim
 
I'm more in the Sarasota area of Florida, but I'll check it out. If it sounds good, I think I can make a trip up that way.
There is also a two week music camp at The University of Miami. One of my Nashville bass students (a high school senior) studied with Nicky Orta there and came back raving about it. That made me feel really good given that Nicky is an old student of mine (as a 14 year old he learned "Teen Town" by ear off of Heavy Weather!). I'm a U of M alumni so I can vouch for their instruction as well.
I'd say to check out Belmont, but we're in Nashville so it's technically still in the South.;)
 
Thanks for some ideas, guys!

I fully understand that relying completely on music and praying that it works isn't. The best option, and I've been told by a lot of people that getting a degree in teaching or marketing would expand my abilities as well, and I planned on doing something along those lines. I believe Berklee has many programs like that as well.

Berklee's a pretty expensive place to find out you can't cut it...

Go to your local community college and take some music classes there ad see if you can hang. It's a much cheaper decision.