How we should speak to guitarists.....

[Nev375]

I never really had to go beyond grunts and gestures with them.
The trick is fair and consistent reward for good behavior. Keep a supply of fresh bananas handy.

 

[hintz]

I never really had to go beyond grunts and gestures with them.
The trick is fair and consistent reward for good behavior. Keep a supply of fresh bananas handy.

Bahahah!!!

 

[Deleted member 165050]

The Gb hits very close to home. Most guitarists I know have serious trouble with flat keys.

In music notation, the key between F and G is a sharps key. The key is F# because the changed notes from the natural notes are sharps. It's a sharps key rather than a flats key because there are fewer changed notes that way.

But if you're in a key that already contains the note F then you can't have F#, so you use the note Gb...

 

[2BitHack]

I never really had to go beyond grunts and gestures with them.
The trick is fair and consistent reward for good behavior. Keep a supply of fresh bananas handy.

And be prepared to dodge when they start flinging poo at you.

 

[Nev375]

And be prepared to dodge when they start flinging poo at you.

That's usually coming from the drummer. You need to keep a whip handy for them. Establish dominance early or they will never respect you.

 

[dreamadream99]

Theory hijack follows:

In music notation, the key between F and G is a sharps key

...or a flat key.

The key is F# because the changed notes from the natural notes are sharps.

...or flats.

It's a sharps key rather than a flats key because there are fewer changed notes that way.

Actually, F# has 6 sharps, and Gb has 6 flats. So, really, the same number of changes either way.

But if you're in a key that already contains the note F then you can't have F#, so you use the note Gb..

This is the only accurate statement in your post, but not for the reason you think.

 

[Ric5]

Have Huey Lewis say this to the guitarist.................

THIS!!!

 

[vvvmmm]

The flat vs. sharp thing is interesting to me. Why, dremadream99 do you say ficelles is wrong?

FWIW (and I started on and still play guitar), I think of the keys basically as:
A Bb B C C# D Eb E F F# G G#.

But where there's a reason to call, say, F# by the name Gb, then I do - for example, a descending modulation ...

An ascending might then cause Eb to be called D#.

IME, in everyday use, I encounter F# chords all of the time, as well as Eb chords. I never encounter Gb or D# chords by those names.

Mebbe I need to play more jazz?

 

[Hahaha]

I've always suspected that the note F resented being renamed E# in the key of F#, and the note B resented being renamed Cb in the key of Gb. Those temperamental little notes!

 

[JKB1957]

I've had good luck communicating with rhythm guitar players. You can usually get their attention by offering them a beer. Lead guitar players are untrainable, they are a feral species.

 

[Deleted member 165050]

Theory hijack follows:
...or a flat key.

...or flats.

Actually, F# has 6 sharps, and Gb has 6 flats. So, really, the same number of changes either way.

This is the only accurate statement in your post, but not for the reason you think.

Well get you, Beethoven So how many classical grades do you have?

 

[vvvmmm]

Lead guitar players are untrainable, they are a feral species.

That's why we make good bass players, as long as we remember to groove and not solo alla time.

 

[getbent]

"What do you mean there's no dynamics? I'm playing as loud as I can!"

 

[2112]

If you *really* want to bake a guitarist's noodle, let them have their sharps and insist on playing in the key of G# major...

 

[mellowinman]

"That's amazing! That may be the most creative use of intonation I have ever heard! I think you invented a new note."

 

[SactoBass]

"Wow......those unique facial expressions you make when playing guitar are so bizarre that it's scary!"

 

[MattZilla]

Don't. Start your bands with saxophonists and pianists instead of guitarists. If a song or two absolutely needs guitar, either a sax or keys player can probably learn the part in a week or two.

 

[Slevage]

In music notation, the key between F and G is a sharps key. The key is F# because the changed notes from the natural notes are sharps. It's a sharps key rather than a flats key because there are fewer changed notes that way.

But if you're in a key that already contains the note F then you can't have F#, so you use the note Gb...

What key signature do you use if the song starts in G major then modulates down a half step?

 

[vvvmmm]

That single modulation, I would just call it F#.

It would more likely be Gb where there was something like Bb A Ab G Gb F E Eb going on.

On the other hand, ascending, I would say, Eb E F F# G G# A Bb.

Could be incorrect, certainly inconsistent, but that's how I do it, me.

 

[dxb]

Its best to just avoid any guitarists who are knuckle draggers or shred heads in the first place. If a band you're thinking of joining has a teenage guitarist with a Marshall stack and 3 Metal-Zones on his board, keep looking. If the guitarist can't answer a simple question like, "what key was that solo in?" keep looking. And if he pretends he can't hear you when you ask, "what does it sound like with less distortion?"...that's right, keep looking.