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How would define "bad music"?

ANYTHING by Yoko Ono. ANYTHING. :thumbsdown:

I went to go look up some examples to link, but I, .. I just couldn't do it. I got so frustrated as it was SOOO annoying.

Not just the whacky screaming stuff, turns out she tried to actually make "singing" records.

Like "No, No, No"... :banghead:

Then I saw a supposed "cover" of Adelle's "someone like you" (I didn't recognize it, thought it was a joke title?..(maybe it is, as she just screamed and made odd sounds).

I'm sorry, Yoko "Music" Is BAD music. :poop:


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Well there you go. 50years pro, you probably got no punk rock stories to tell. Your time zone suggests your reggae might not be all that (coz I make assumptions too). We already established you are not all up in hip hop and electronica. And statistically speaking you almost certainly know very little about gamelan or throat music. None of which means you wouldn't have a whole lot you could teach me.

My point being that your experience, vast as it may be, seems to have left you with little understanding of large swathes of modern music. (And possibly Asian folk music as well.) Which is why some here would reduce your reasons for disliking it to it simply being outside your comfort zone.
Just for the record, one of the bands I toured with covered Devo, Bowie, Ted Nugent, Peter Tosh, Bob Marley, and Sex Pistols....and covered them well and authentically. I'm also acquainted with Javanese Gamelan music, Tibetan throat singing and other polyphonic vocal techniques, ragas, and music of many other cultures....and none of those I just mentioned or that you mentioned rely on programming, overdubbing, and sequencing by computers.

Your mentioning of me being "not all up in hip hop and electronica" may be accurate (and about the only accurate assumption you made about me) if "not all up" means I don't like most of it. If it means I haven't heard it, it would be inaccurate. I have heard some hip hop with some pretty hip rhythmic phrasing and creativity, and even some positive messages and thoughtul prose, but I need melody and harmonic progression and tension to hold my interest, and in the vast majority of cases, that's not there in hip hop. Just as human interaction and spontaneous musical sensitivity is not there in the vast majority of electronic music. I say that having listened to Morton Subotnik's "Silver Apples on the Moon" when it was released, Walter/Wendy Carlos' "Switched-on Bach," Dick Hyman's "The Age of Electronicus," and being involved in synthesis from the early Arp and MiniMoog days (owned an Arp Odyssey, MicroMoog, PolyMoog, Roland Juno, Korg Poly Six, Yamaha DX7, TX7, CS1x, and a host of weighted action sampled piano controllers through the years) through the development of MIDI, sequencers, samplers, and the continued devolution into totally computer generated "trance," "club," and other genres of electronica

Yes, you made a lot of assumptions. It's not always a question of being "out of one's comfort zone" or not being familiar enough with certain genres. Sometimes it IS about disliking it for very concrete reasons, some personal, some intellectual, and some moral. We all like what we like, and dislike what we like, for our own reasons.
 
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And therein lies my objection. I'm not saying it isn't a skill. I'm saying it isn't musicianship. Music to me is created in real time by human interaction with other similarly skilled and musically adept human beings.

so solo performances aren’t music?

i would suggest you try to make an artful musical composition using electronic music gear before judging whether creating electronic music requires musicianship, or watch videos of someone performing live using said equipment. Also I would suggest that if you don’t think electronic music is “real music” the main issue is lack of exposure to what’s out there.
 
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Ok. Your point being…that humans are not capable of playing that material?

One of the main elements (and strengths) of more organic pop music is the ability of the artist to inject timely and appropriate variation into the line while maintaining and even reinforcing the feel. This keeps the performance fresh every time. Computers can’t do it. Maybe AI will some day; but, that will be a truly sad day.

I’m NOT saying that interesting lines can’t be programmed into computers. About the 500th time the precisely same thing gets played, no one wants to hear it any more.

The point is, thoughtfully produced electronic music ISN’T repetitive, or at least not any more repetitive than any pop song with a standard structure. The great producers of electronic music spend an immense amount of time and effort making musical choices that inject variety and emotion into what would otherwise be uninteresting.

Occasionally this results in music that couldn’t be performed by a human (drum machine patterns are frequently unplayable by a human drummer due to the number of distinct simultaneous voices used), but that’s not the point in most cases. Though there are exceptions, such as the electro-acoustic compositions produced by Aphex Twin using the midi-controlled Disklavier piano, many of which are unplayable by a human pianist.

I guess the point is making a judgment about an entire universe of music that you haven’t heard based on assumptions that don’t actually apply might be cutting yourself off from music that you may like if you gave it a try.
 
Yea, I was wondering why there are some praising comments on Lustmord music tracks. Then tried to listen patiently, but never heard anything what I would find interesting.
As someone who's way into ambient and drone music (it's probably my main thing at this point), it's definitely not the most accessible stuff. I think fans of it have their brains wired a certain way where it just stimulates the sweet spots.

I don't even play my music for my friends, as I end up just getting blank stares. But it's all good.
 
The bar is literally on the floor. Pretty much anything will be considered good by someone.
I mean just read the comment section, I'm sure most of you have seen this video. There are people who think this is good music. I don't have the authority to say "no actually that's bad music" as much as it might strike me as such to my core.


I think the idea of "bad music annoys" is as close to a definition for me as I can get. Bad music is typically annoying.

That particular video is mega-ignorant, I don't know why someone decided to pick on him, but Henry Kaiser has a sense of humor, that's for sure. He's been making gear videos lately (that's what that one was), one by him on the Red Panda Partical on reverse delay taught me a lot about a creative aproach to the pedal, because he's playful. Richard Thompson, Bill Lazwell, Kermit Diriscol, Joey Baron, and David Lindley when they went to other countries and made records with local musicians...the list of his collaborators is almost endless. In this part time band, Richard Thompson handles most of the singing (of course), but the leads are Henry (Fred Frith plays bass and violin). The drummer was Beeheart's. Kaiser and Lindley also did one in Madagascar that got a lot of attention at the time.
 
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The point is, thoughtfully produced electronic music ISN’T repetitive, or at least not any more repetitive than any pop song with a standard structure. The great producers of electronic music spend an immense amount of time and effort making musical choices that inject variety and emotion into what would otherwise be uninteresting.

Occasionally this results in music that couldn’t be performed by a human (drum machine patterns are frequently unplayable by a human drummer due to the number of distinct simultaneous voices used), but that’s not the point in most cases. Though there are exceptions, such as the electro-acoustic compositions produced by Aphex Twin using the midi-controlled Disklavier piano, many of which are unplayable by a human pianist.

I guess the point is making a judgment about an entire universe of music that you haven’t heard based on assumptions that don’t actually apply might be cutting yourself off from music that you may like if you gave it a try.
As someone who primarily makes electronic music now, thank you. You're not wrong.