How would define "bad music"?

[FRoss6788]

Wait!


No, nevermind.

Always a breath of fresh air....

 

[factory presets]

Nah. Don’t play victim again. Clutch your pearls somewhere else. When you put obnoxious quotes around the word art and think you’re the judge of what is deserving or worthy of outlet, you’re the problem.

Not gonna like it. But it's a fair comment.

 

[MuseChaser]

Nah. Don’t play victim again. Clutch your pearls somewhere else. When you put obnoxious quotes around the word art and think you’re the judge of what is deserving or worthy of outlet, you’re the problem.

Again.. sigh. The thread asked for opinions. I gave mine. Evidently mine is somehow wrong and yours is more worthy. Are we not all permitted to judge what we deem worthy in terms of art? Actually... Isn't that your entire point? We differ only in that, I guess, we all need to agree with you.

 

[Gluvhand]

Not gonna like it. But it's a fair comment.

Ok.

 

[factory presets]

I would wager MOST accepted proper techniques used by artists of all disciplines happened organically out of necessity by "uneducated" and "untrained" artists doing what they had to to achieve their vision.

Thinking out of the box regardless of what the "intelligentsia" thought about it.

Don't think I'd be putting Picasso and Mark Rothko in the same box, there. In fact the intelligencia generally generally champions innovation. While the good burghers insist on their Constables and Waterhouses.

Edit: big up Billy Childish and his stuckist movement.

 

[2cooltoolz]

How would define "bad music"?

I used to, a lot, in the past. But I just wouldn't anymore. There is absolutely music I detest, but it's not my call to make. (I wish it was! )

 

[bucephylus]

A lot of what you probably consider to be “computer music” IS played by a real human, just not using equipment that you recognize as a musical instrument. Many hip hop and electronic compositions are performed live using gear like an MPC or other sample controller. Many electronic musicians and hip hop producers meticulously program sequencers to give organic feel and movement to what could otherwise be very boring and static compositions, or leave in performance imperfections or play live to introduce rhythmic variations not possible within older sequencers.

Tl:dr, there is a lot of really amazing “computer music” out there that you clearly haven’t heard, which is fine.

Ok. Your point being…that humans are not capable of playing that material?

One of the main elements (and strengths) of more organic pop music is the ability of the artist to inject timely and appropriate variation into the line while maintaining and even reinforcing the feel. This keeps the performance fresh every time. Computers can’t do it. Maybe AI will some day; but, that will be a truly sad day.

I’m NOT saying that interesting lines can’t be programmed into computers. About the 500th time the precisely same thing gets played, no one wants to hear it any more.

 

[Ostie]

Hate music is bad music.

 

[factory presets]

About the 500th time the precisely same thing gets played, no one wants to hear it any more.

Spoken like oldies radio is not a wildly popular thing.

 

[MasterMonkeyMan]

Anything by Bad Company, Badfinger, Bad English ... whom have I missed?

Bad Brains?

 

[Paul New]

Kenny G

 

[sheesh]

What I can't stand is piped in music. Wh[ine] do I have to listen to that piped in music while I do everything else (eat shop etc.)? It leaves a BAD taste in my mouth. Piped in music is giving music a BAD name! I say we do something about it before it is too late!

 

[bucephylus]

Spoken like oldies radio is not a wildly popular thing.

Radio does not equal Performance.

 

[MuseChaser]

Ha ha ha. You edited out the bit in the quote where the person was talking about electronic music that's played in real time.

And the realtime interaction between musicians debate was fought and lost when recorded music first became a thing. Long before multi-tracking added it's own poignancy.

Following up, as long as we're still talking about allowable personal opinions (we are, right?), my favorite recordings are, indeed, live recordings. I am not a fan of overdubs or editing. Multitracking didn't add poignancy; it was the first step in removing human frailty and imperfection from music. The opposite of poignancy in my view. And yes, I am involved in the business and art on both sides of the mic.

 

[brianrost]

This is not bad music. This is indescribable music.

The Shaggs have developed a cult following over the years, their fans embracing a “so bad it’s good” aesthetic.

Listening to them next to some Captain Beefheart shows the difference between incompetent musicians and skilled players playing really weird songs.

 

[HP Hovercraft]

Following up, as long as we're still talking about allowable personal opinions (we are, right?), my favorite recordings are, indeed, live recordings. I am not a fan of overdubs or editing. Multitracking didn't add poignancy; it was the first step in removing human frailty and imperfection from music. The opposite of poignancy in my view. And yes, I am involved in the business and art on both sides of the mic.

So you don't like anything recorded since, what, the 1920s?

 

[HP Hovercraft]

One of the main elements (and strengths) of more organic pop music is the ability of the artist to inject timely and appropriate variation into the line while maintaining and even reinforcing the feel. This keeps the performance fresh every time.

Like in electronic music, as mentioned in the post you quoted

 

[bassicmike]

Kid Rock is bad music.

 

[oldandbold]

How do I define bad music?
Any music that is played and/or sung incompetently, and is passed off as "good enough."

 

[thewildest]

There is no bad music; in a world so full of unspeakable violence, whomever sits down to make or play some music deserves my respect.

On the other hand, I don’t think all music is beautiful, and each on of us will have a different view on what makes a piece beautiful. One thing I’ve experienced, whenever a melody brings back a happy event from my memory, it warms my heart.